Requests for natural french and natural sex

[Zane_1]

I just assumed men in general are uneducated when it comes to STI's or just have the attitude 'it will never happen to them'.

Perhaps men as a block are uneducated in these things ... but I really don't know that its this simple. Its possibly more plausible that some men are simply risk takers ... yes they understand the risk but are willing to accept it. But its not their gig alone, so if the WL refuses the _real_ sign of the man is that he accepts her choice and either goes ahead with the booking or doesn't .. but doesn't get shitty about it or aggressive.

The amount of times I've been schooled by men that you 'CANT' catch anything threw natural french makes me want to shake some sense into them.

It must get tiring for sure - to have the same dumbass comments made day in day out - I could see how frustrating this would be.

Safety First!! You cant put a price on your health! And you have to wonder abut people who do...

Using condoms for blowjobs and sex, by itself, only reduces risk ... doesn't eliminate it. There really can't be any exchange of body fluids at all. No kissing, even light, no rashes or pimples or cuts or abrasions on any body part that gets touched or comes into contact with fluids. I don't have to tell you, everyone in the game should know this stuff ... but how many of us are that fastidious? We _all_ probably should be. Inspect each others bodies with care and detail and refuse, for everyone's health, if there are any problems (bleeding gums, lesions anywhere, etc, etc) Even _then_ the risk is not zero, just trending that way.

But I understand the theme of the thread - its about taking responsibility and trying to keep everyone healthy.

 

[Courtney]

Don't be offended, its just an ask for service, like any customer might ask for any service. My girlfriend told me the other day that one of her customers asked her if he could have sex with her (protected) as part of the 'full service' ... hehehe. Some customers just don't know a lot of stuff - no reason to be offended. If a customer asks for anal do you get offended? Maybe you do or don't offer this service, but its reasonable for a client to ask - just so long as it stays friendly.

I'm sorry I cannot agree. Of course I'm offended! By law, we are required to provide SAFE SEX in establishments like Langtree's so it is nothing else but lack of respect when men constantly come in and ask for natural and then continue to HASSLE for natural as well!

I would hate to know if any ladies in Langtree's are providing natural - because I would certainly not want to work in the same establishment as them. It only takes one girl to provide the service for men to suddenly think we all do it! And you'd be surprised how many men are shocked when I reach for the condom....

 

[Dallas]

And you'd be surprised how many men are shocked when I reach for the condom....

I agree with you Courtney and I don't agree that it's fair to keep asking a lady just because a client has a higher risk threshhold and wonders if the lady might too. That would be like asking a police officer if you can do 200kmph on the freeway because you find the risk acceptable. You know what the answer will be and what the law states so why ask?

I would be interested to know if the majority of clients asking for natural are first timer's or are they regulars that frequent the establishment and are just trying it on with every lady they meet? Personally I think natural is fine for monogamous relationship sex, business sex is totally different and I wonder if some of these guys asking for natural are also in relationships?

 

[Zane_1]

I'm sorry I cannot agree. Of course I'm offended! By law, we are required to provide SAFE SEX in establishments like Langtree's so it is nothing else but lack of respect when men constantly come in and ask for natural

Fair enough. I admit I didn't pay enough attention and now realise you're a Langtree's lady. I'd interpret this, as a punter, the same as a big sign at the front telling me whats on and what not - so in this case, to pursue services that are clearly 'not on' would be particularly annoying.

I see private girls, and each one is different in their expectation, provided service and whatnot, so I have to have these conversations each time I see a new lady. In my case, it would be akin to me asking for natural french, the lady saying no and then me asking again ... clearly not the right thing to do - so I understand your perspective.

and then continue to HASSLE for natural as well!

Yes, and I know some customers are very insistent - which I too find distasteful and disrespectful. I will ask a lady once for those services I'd like, and I remember her answer to me. I won't ask again.

I would hate to know if any ladies in Langtree's are providing natural - because I would certainly not want to work in the same establishment as them. It only takes one girl to provide the service for men to suddenly think we all do it! And you'd be surprised how many men are shocked when I reach for the condom....

Really? Shocked? I find this surprising ... though at the same time I am well aware that the potential market for natural sex services is extremely high.

Having said that though, and notwithstanding how tiring it must be for the tenth client in a row to pester you for natural services, a lot of the 'problems' are simply communication or lack of it. Lots of customers won't be aware of law here, and won't necessarily be as aware as perhaps they should be of the modus operandi of a place like Langtrees ... they've simply turned up hoping for the best.

What is 'natural french' for example? In some places this is tongue kissing, in others it tends to mean an uncovered blowjob. A WL friend of mine originally from elsewhere in the world was of the opinion that 'spanish' was akin to spanking and had obviously worked in another part of the world where this was the case, she was quite surprised when I told her what it mean over here.

Note that none of my rambling even hints at my thinking its okay to hassle, oblige or coerce any party in a sexual liaison to do things that they don't want to do. Requests and refusals should only have to be offered once in my opinion.

 

[Zane_1]

Personally I think natural is fine for monogamous relationship sex, business sex is totally different and I wonder if some of these guys asking for natural are also in relationships?

Heres an oblique answer from my own experiences. I _do_ like you are silly's and have been known to ask for these as an extra service, refusal is fine by me as I respect other peoples feelings on all these things. My GF is a working escort and told me when we first became a couple that for her, you are silly's are an unacceptable risk .. thats ok, thats her telling me about her own risk threshold. So now, when I see a WL I don't ask for, or receive, you are silly's, because that would then, by extension, expose my GF to a risk she's already told me is unacceptable to her.

I guess ultimately I'm just trying to say that girls and boys should be able to talk to each other about their needs. Talking doesn't, or shouldn't imply acceptance ... everyone is just talking here To go against agreed services later (slipping off the condom for example) or to 'hassle' for services already refused is obviously, to me anyway, unacceptable.

 

[Courtney]

Zane, don't even get me started on the clients who then try and take the condom off... Especially from doggy position so we can't see! Grrr...

Talk about frustrating! In saying that, I have a lot more lovely, respectful clients than ones who do the above, so I'm certainly not complaining about all men here!

 

[Dallas]

I guess ultimately I'm just trying to say that girls and boys should be able to talk to each other about their needs. Talking doesn't, or shouldn't imply acceptance ... everyone is just talking here To go against agreed services later (slipping off the condom for example) or to 'hassle' for services already refused is obviously, to me anyway, unacceptable.

I actually like a lot of the points you've brought up and talking is definitely the best thing, but talking about something that is advertised as off the table and illegal - well I can see how Courtney and the others would have a real issue with that - whatever their perceived level of risk is.

So while talking about ones need is essential within a business relationship, with regards to natural services, a client is not discussing a legitimate extra like anal etc they are asking for a service that is clearly advertised as non negotiable. So for that reason alone I side with the ladies on this and I think that one's interpretation of level of risk has no bearing on it. Guys should know better and ladies have every right to get annoyed with them.

 

[Rough Ryder]

hahahaa the clients that try take the condom off from doggy postion oblivious to the fact theres a mirror in front clearly displaying their poor effort trying to by sly...

 

[Zane_1]

I actually like a lot of the points you've brought up and talking is definitely the best thing, but talking about something that is advertised as off the table and illegal - well I can see how Courtney and the others would have a real issue with that - whatever their perceived level of risk is.

Yes sure - in the context of an establishment this is clearly the case ... yet I wonder how widespread knowledge of the law or of any particular houses rules are? Which is not to say that ignorance of the law is an excuse in the end, but I can see how these things happen.

 

[Miss Holly]

to throw a twist on the topic..

what if you were doin things naturally with your girlfriend.. who happened to be a W/L... ?

My boyfriend and I both work as escorts and this industry only makes us more conscious of our sexual health. We're both extremely careful in being safe with the services we provide because it's one thing to put yourself at risk, but another to jeopardise the health of somebody you care about.

Anytime a client asks for natural French or sex, it makes me realise the lack of respect he has for me as a W/L and as a person.

I'm sorry I cannot agree. Of course I'm offended! By law, we are required to provide SAFE SEX in establishments like Langtree's so it is nothing else but lack of respect when men constantly come in and ask for natural and then continue to HASSLE for natural as well!

Really well said Courtney. I agree 100%.

Asking a W/L to provide natural services may happen out of ignorance at first, but it's beyond insulting when a client constantly pressures a lady to do something she's already stated she's uncomfortable with. (Especially when it comes to a service like natural, which could seriously jeopardise not only a W/L's health, but her career as well.)

 

[sunyun]

Its possibly more plausible that some men are simply risk takers ...


I would suggest that by definition, all punters are risk takers ! Non risk takers are sitting at home with Mrs Palmer !

 

[Benny]

doesnt matter were i go in he world,,,i always take my raincoat with me just to be on the safe side

 

[Jennifer1993]

Since becoming an escort, I've been offered money by several men to perform unprotected oral and/or vaginal sex. It disgusts me that a man would have the audacity to even ask a lady that. I feel some of these men are under the impression you can't catch anything if they "look clean" or "I'll only be in there for a couple minutes"(lack of sex education), the others just lack respect. Remember, if a woman is willing to accept $50 for natural french, how many other men has she been accepting $50 from?
I find it partially offensive when some clients have made attempts to take it off and pretend "it fell off".

 

[honestman]

Perhaps at the end of the day, ladies - when the offensive starts - simply ask them "How old are you?".

 

[Langtrees VIP 6]

As a phone operated, I do receive a few calls every now and then asking if the lady does a natural service in a tone as normal as ordering a cup of coffee.

Even though I personally think it is wrong, as anyone that has sexual contact with the caller can potentially be put at risks. I find that, I have to put aside my personal option and let the caller know that our ladies do not offer that service.

I also make it a point to let the caller know that our ladies have to have regular health checks and must provide a health certificate before starting work, in the hope that it will make the caller think of the well-being of innocent people they might affect with their disregard for their own health.

Sometimes i get a caller that will ask for a natural service and when I tell them about the health checks our ladies have to have so that our ladies can provide a safer service, I am always surprised at their response. The caller will inform me that he is safe and if the ladies have regular health checks than why would that be a problem. I can only shake my head, politely and patiently state that we hold our company, staff and service to a higher standards.

Sadly, if they have their minds set on receiving that type of service im sure they will find it somewhere.. Scary thought

 

[BigMike]

I've never asked for natural oral. But it's been offered as an extra countless times. I always decline. Doesn't offend me. She's just asking.

 

[melissa milan]

Im offended when clients keep asking things that are already given an answer too... but Im mostly offended with health checks and people being rude about them like we are asking something soo big of a deal... yes it can be uncomfortable but at the end of the day this is a professional business once you have your check then there is no issues it doesn't have to put you off... and also on the rare occasion guys that knowingly have an STI and try and come i mean come on please... we do our bit to make our selves and everyone else safe too.. so do your bit to right? but some people feel the need to lie and still TRY and get in the room be honest and have respect for practicing safe sex and not putting others at risk!
XX
MM

 

[Barbosa]

Ayyyyyyyeee do agree,I have never asked for natural, but, have received it a few times at no cost

I've never asked for natural oral. But it's been offered as an extra countless times. I always decline. Doesn't offend me. She's just asking.

 

[Pixie O'Malley]

You know, I agree with the girls that it is offensive when a client asks.

It's 2013. We all know about HIV/AIDS, Chlamydia, Hepatitis, etc. We all know that condoms are essential as one of the only protection methods against STI's/STD's.

Regardless of being a working girl or not, have respect for your own body and respect for your partner (paid of unpaid). Just put it on, and don't whinge about it! Ok, they aren't great, we all know sex feels better without them... But the risk is not worth it.

What gets me is guys who say "can we have a little bit without the condom then put it on?", umm... hello!?

Or guys who want to grind without a condom and get annoyed when I don't provide that service...

Anyway, back to a positive note. I've been working 9 weeks ish now, and in that time I've probably only had 6 or 7 clients make an issue out of protection. So the stats aren't that bad. But the 6 or 7 have usually been quite belligerent. Perks of the job eh? (sarcasm 101)...!

xx P

 

[melissa milan]

You know, I agree with the girls that it is offensive when a client asks.

It's 2013. We all know about HIV/AIDS, Chlamydia, Hepatitis, etc. We all know that condoms are essential as one of the only protection methods against STI's/STD's.

Regardless of being a working girl or not, have respect for your own body and respect for your partner (paid of unpaid). Just put it on, and don't whinge about it! Ok, they aren't great, we all know sex feels better without them... But the risk is not worth it.

What gets me is guys who say "can we have a little bit without the condom then put it on?", umm... hello!?

Or guys who want to grind without a condom and get annoyed when I don't provide that service...

Anyway, back to a positive note. I've been working 9 weeks ish now, and in that time I've probably only had 6 or 7 clients make an issue out of protection. So the stats aren't that bad. But the 6 or 7 have usually been quite belligerent. Perks of the job eh? (sarcasm 101)...!

xx P[/QUOT

its just unfair to pressure and offer bribes.. condoms are the only thing that we have .. and most guys are un educated and seem to think an STI only happens to dirty people who fuck anything... it only takes one person.. people just need to get more educated and less in denial and its scary to think that a random client can walkin and even ask a working lady who they know sleeps with alot of men to take the condom off.. i mean arent you scared a little bit what if i was like oh sure babe like shouldnt you worry if i was to say yes to you that i was saying yes tp random others.. it seens people have forgotten that STIs can happen and will if your not careful and they dont care how special you are or how good you may look! lol

 

[Dallas]

Ok, they aren't great, we all know sex feels better without them... But the risk is not worth it.

Actually, not having used one in a 20 year relationship then having to use one again last year, while it felt a little unusual for about the first half an hour and put me off a bit (maybe that was more psychological too?) , I really can't say I noticed a difference after that, it's certainly not something I feel I need to have off for the sensation and would NEVER request otherwise.

 

[Zane_1]

I notice a _big_ difference using a condom or not and I spend and have spent quite some time finding the good ones, not just the cheap extra thick versions you might find at Woolies

 

[Helena Loren]

Isn't very absurd in those days of 2013 we still have to explain WHY working girl and not have to use condom ????

Better or not is the only way the working girl can work safe ,most of the disease come from unprotected sex lead to DEAD what there is more to explain ???

(Workplace health and safety) every job has the issue with health and safety there are pages and pages to read and rule to follow , there is no way you can work if you don't follow ALL those rules .

So stop asking...Stop thinking ...Stop expect ...Stop be no intelligent in this point...

There are no money that can worth our life !!!

 

[Madam Jacqui]

Ben Ben, What you taking raincoats for? You have a Beautiful Wife....

 

[DitaTempest1]

I had a client ask me once in a booking "Do you take requests?"
I asked what he had in mind, and his response was "Would you give me a blow-job without a condom?"
I told him I didn't know it, but if he could hum a few bars....
Honestly, it all starts to sound like a sad country song...

 

[Contrarian]

Q: What's the difference between love, true love, and showing off?

A: Spit, swallow, and gargle,

 

[Pixie O'Malley]

Helena, totally agree gorgeous! xx

Live the passion with which you say it!

xx P

 

[TheRoamingEyeball]

I had a client ask me once in a booking "Do you take requests?"
I asked what he had in mind, and his response was "Would you give me a blow-job without a condom?"
I told him I didn't know it, but if he could hum a few bars....
Honestly, it all starts to sound like a sad country song...

This gave me a laugh

Makes me wonder if people keen for natural service from any source has ever been mentally scarred by a google image search...methinks not, or maybe they just have the willfully ignorant attitude of believing they possess an invincible immune system.

The (very few) people I know about who have returned here for a service after previously being declined due to an STI, obviously without having received treatment, must be at least two beers short of a six pack.

 

[JadeDoll]

hahahaa the clients that try take the condom off from doggy postion oblivious to the fact theres a mirror in front clearly displaying their poor effort trying to by sly...

Cheers to the playroom!

 

[JadeDoll]

What i truly don't understand about this - considering it is so FUCKING common -
is that if a particular working lady was to provide this service for you, that the clients seem to think the lady is doing it EXCLUSIVELY for them. If she'll give YOU a natural service... odds on that she gives that service to all of her clients, or a majority.

Does that not concern you as a client? Surely you don't REALLY want to stick your dick into porridge that's already been stirred. YOU might be std free but its unlikely that her last five clients all were.