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Women are Better Managers???

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Madam Jacqui

Madam Jacqui

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I have worked in large corporations and Government departments all my life. I have roughly had a new manager every 18 months as they come in, make some changes, update their resume then move onto their next big thing. During this time I'd go through phases where I thought women managers were better and then I'd revert to thinking men were then back to women again, but overall I'd have to say, that women are just as capable at fuking up a management role as men are!! :P
 
I, like Dallas have worked in a corporate environment both in the private sector as well as in the government sector and all too often I have seen very competent people being promoted to a managerial position simply because they have been at the organization a long time.

To me that is the same as promoting a nurse to be a surgeon because she has worked at the hospital a long time.

To be a manager one requires a specific skills set and simply being employed at an organization does not necessarily mean one has that skill set.

Managers - if they are half decent - need to have an in-depth knowledge of:-

1. MANAGEMENT AND LEADERSHIP SKILLS
2. COMMUNICATION SKILLS
3. COLLABORATION SKILLS
4. CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS
5. FINANCE SKILLS
6. PROJECT MANAGEMENT SKILLS

Truth is that the average manager in Australia don't have these skills and have effectively been promoted into a position where they have become incompetent.

This is true for both men and women.
 
Dallas said:
I definitely agree with that, I think males in management roles here shouldn't be allowed at all. I would never go to an establishment that had any males in management roles.
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Why not?
it stands to reason no one would be better at knowing how to manage an industry selling exclusively to men would be a male
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You have a point, but if that's true then also nobody would be better at understanding working ladies issues than a woman who has previously worked in the same role. I'm guessing though that it's less about gender and more about empathy and respect from the person - male or female that's in charge.
 
Zeus said:
I, like Dallas have worked in a corporate environment both in the private sector as well as in the government sector and all too often I have seen very competent people being promoted to a managerial position simply because they have been at the organization a long time.

To me that is the same as promoting a nurse to be a surgeon because she has worked at the hospital a long time.

To be a manager one requires a specific skills set and simply being employed at an organization does not necessarily mean one has that skill set.

Managers - if they are half decent - need to have an in-depth knowledge of:-

1. MANAGEMENT AND LEADERSHIP SKILLS
2. COMMUNICATION SKILLS
3. COLLABORATION SKILLS
4. CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS
5. FINANCE SKILLS
6. PROJECT MANAGEMENT SKILLS

Truth is that the average manager in Australia don't have these skills and have effectively been promoted into a position where they have become incompetent.

This is true for both men and women.
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Totally agree! I used to sit on interview panels back in the 90's and people management skills were widely discussed, but over the last few years, you're frowned upon if you even bring the subject up. It used to be lead with the carrot approach, now it's lead with the stick approach because many new managers don't have the people skills to do it the other way.
 
This topic is one of those meaningless generalisations, like women have more emotional intelligence than men, or that men are better than women at making the hard decisions. It really depends on the individual.

However, this is as true today as it was in the '60s for both sexes:

Peter Principle

An observation that in an organizational hierarchy, every employee will rise or get promoted to his or her level of incompetence. The Peter Principle is based on the notion that employees will get promoted as long as they are competent, but at some point will fail to get promoted beyond a certain job because it has become too challenging for them. Employees rise to their level of incompetence and stay there. Over time, every position in the hierarchy will be filled by someone who is not competent enough to carry out his or her new duties.

The Peter Principle was first observed by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and published in his book "The Peter Principle" in 1968. Dr. Peter also states that a promotion to the higher-ranking job position may not necessarily reveal the employee's incompetence, but rather the new position may require different skills the employee does not possess. Dr. Peter sums up the Peter Principle with the saying: "the cream rises until it sours." The Peter Principal can be a problem for businesses which can be solved through continued education. Even with proper employee training, the Peter Principal predicts the employee will eventually get to a position where they are incompetent because of further promotion.
 
@XLNC yes I remember the peter principle, it's a useful analogy to use when discussing faults in the promotional system - particularly in Government.
 
Dallas said:
You have a point, but if that's true then also nobody would be better at understanding working ladies issues than a woman who has previously worked in the same role. I'm guessing though that it's less about gender and more about empathy and respect from the person - male or female that's in charge.
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well ive worked with a few ladys and they all told me no ones more likely to treat them like crap. rip them off and take advantage than another woman. ...
 
bushseeker said:
well ive worked with a few ladys and they all told me no ones more likely to treat them like crap. rip them off and take advantage than another woman. ...
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That wouldn't surprise me. I'm guessing then that it's like any industry with managers and comes back to personalities, either the manager has empathy and treats people with respect or they don't - whether they're male or female.
 
It definitely wouldn't surprise me.
Every woman you meet tells you they prefer men friends because women are such bitches.
then there's the multi billion dollar woman's magazines dedicated to telling women why thier not good enough .. and why it's men's fault the magazine is telling them this ...
its a fuphy women will look after women .. thier there own biggest critics.. it goes on all day every day with normal women it sure as heck doesn't change in business
 
My experience is that women do not make good leaders of men. I don't want to believe this, because I do value women in the workplace, but that's been the way I've seen it.
 
I believe that it doesn't matter who is in a management roll. It just depends on who does the job better. Unfortunately though , there are still men out there who like to listen to the voice of male management, and won't budge from the 'boys club' mentality.
 
Cuts both ways though -- I've worked in a girls' club (thankfully only briefly) where it was quite clear where us token males stood in relation to the majority female staff.

Though I made the best of it and let my imagination wander...

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Ahoy;- No way arrrrr women better mangers, there a few exceptions but overall the ship always sinks when women have control.
Cheers and Pass the Rum
 
Imagine how piss poor the wars would have been over the millenia If women were the Generals

"Lets sit down and talk this through"

The Hundred years war would have been a misunderstanding settled over Tea and biscuits Pathetic

:oops::oops:;)
 
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