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WA Draft Clauses for new proposed legislation, I warn you they are bad.

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Hornyball

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New WA Laws

Can't believe the proposed new laws being brought in. Naturally punters won't be able to comment and it will affect many people. Surely they could just improve what is already in place.

The states new attitude is so out of touch that it will drive things underground. It will make the act between 2 consenting adults a criminal act, surely the citizens of WA don't want their pollies for this purpose.

As for Porter's (is that his name) opinion about the industry, he should be out targeting real crime, people bashed, corporate fraud, govt fraud, thieving etc. All I can say is I prefer a brothel in me suburb over a 16 year olds birthday party or police commissioner's son's meth lab. Brothel patrons are far better behaved.

Mind u I am ok with moving brothels out of suburbs to appropriate areas, this is ok, just manage the industry to prevent non consenting people being involved, not very hard.
 
Prostitution Bill 2011 - Summary of Key Clauses

The Prostitution Bill 2011 is intended to be stand alone legislation governing prostitution in Western Australia. The bill seeks to impose a strong regulatory and enforcement framework on prostitution, and is primarily designed to assist police in responding to public complaints and closing down unlawful prostitution businesses in residential areas.

Key matters to be addressed include:

Licensing
• Individual prostitutes, managers of brothels and operators of brothels will be required to possess a valid licence, and conduct business from premises approved for that purpose via local government planning processes. [clause 42]; [clause 43]; [clause 44]
• Managers, operators and self-employed prostitutes will be required to display licenses in places from which their business is being conducted. [clause 17]
• Applications for operator’s licenses and manager’s licenses will be required to be accompanied by documents verifying the applicant’s identity and age; evidence of relevant planning approvals, and residential and contact addresses. [clause 47]
• Operators and managers will be required to be at least 18, an Australian citizen or permanent resident, ordinarily resident in Western Australia; have no relevant criminal offences and otherwise be of good standing. [clause 47]; [clause 52]
• Applications for a prostitute’s licenses will be required to be accompanied by documents verifying the applicant’s identity and age, and where they propose to conduct business as a self-employed prostitute, be accompanied by evidence of planning approval. [clause 48]
• Prostitute’s licenses will be only issued to people who are at least 18 years of age, are an Australian citizen or permanent resident, ordinarily resident in Western Australia. [clause 48]
• Stringent probity checks, including palm prints and fingerprints, will apply in relation to all operator and manager license applications, but only where considered reasonably necessary in relation to prostitute’s license applications. [clause 49]
• License holders will be required to comply with conditions prescribed or imposed by the Department of Racing, Gaming and Liquor. [clause 55]; [clause 60]

Planning and Development Controls
• Licenses will not be granted to prostitution businesses unless they can show that they have been granted planning approval by the relevant local government authority. [clause 47]; [clause 48]
• Land in a residential area or special use area will not be permitted to be used for any prostitution business in any circumstances. [clause 74]
• Land in places other than residential areas or special use areas may be used for prostitution business where planning approval is granted by the responsible planning authority. [clause 75]
• Outside of the City of Perth area, land which is not in a residential area but is nevertheless within 100m of a residence, or 200m of a protected place, will not be permitted to be used for any prostitution business in any circumstances. [clause 76]
• Within the City of Perth area, land which is not in a residential area but is nevertheless in an area that contains a significant number of dwellings, or is within 100m of a protected place, or land which comprises a building that contains a dwelling must not be used for any prostitution business in any circumstance. [clause 76]
• Planning schemes may not be amended to override these rules, for example, to make prostitution businesses a prohibited use in areas other than residential or special use areas, or permit applications in residential areas. [clause 74]; [clause 75]
• Existing businesses whose location does not conform with these requirements may be permitted to continue to operate for up to 18 months, only if the Department of Racing Gaming & Liquor is satisfied that the business has not been causing disturbance or interfering with the amenity of the area. [clause 166]

Enforcement
• Conducting any form of prostitution business outside the licensed scheme, or, in relation to potential clients, entering or remaining in an unlawful prostitution business without lawful excuse, will be a criminal offence. [clause 9]; [clause 10]; [clause 13]; [clause 42]; [clause 43]; [clause 44]
• Police will have the power to enter premises, other than residences, which they reasonably suspect are being used to conduct prostitution businesses, without a warrant. [clause 92]
• Police will, upon receipt of complaints, have the power to issue closure notices restricting access to premises which they reasonably suspect are being used for unlawful prostitution, or on their own initiative where serious offences have occurred. These notices will be required to be considered by a court before being made permanent. [Part 7; Division 7]
• Existing evidentiary presumptions in relation to kerb crawling and street walking will continue to apply. [clause 144]
• Strong evidentiary presumptions will apply against persons who are alleged to be operating or managing a prostitution business where grounds exist for suspecting such an activity. [clause 149]
• Police will have the power to make barring notices, and prohibition orders similar to those contained in the Liquor Control Act 1988, to deal with dangerous or undesirable persons working in or attending brothels. [Part 7 Division 5]; [Part 7 Division 6]
• Licence numbers will be required to be displayed in any advertisements for prostitution [clause 24].
• There will be a strong evidentiary presumption against persons who unlawfully place advertisements which could be reasonably suspected to be for a prostitution business. [clause 145]
• The State Government will possess an absolute discretion to reject a particular license application, or direct that licences not be issued in relation to particular areas of the state. [Part 6; Division 9]

Protecting vulnerable people
• A person who engages in an act of prostitution with a person who they knew, or could reasonably be expected to have known, was being coerced to engage in that act commits an offence punishable by up to 14 years imprisonment, or, where the prostitute was a child or incapable person, imprisonment for up to 20 years. [clause 14]
• Prostitutes working within the licensed system will have an absolute right to refuse to take part in acts of prostitution, and persons who operate or manage a prostitution business will be required to display information to that effect. [clause 12]; [clause 25]; [clause 26]
• There will be a positive obligation on persons who operate or manage prostitution businesses to ensure that children do not work within the business, or permit children to be on the premises of the business. [clause 36]; [clause 38]
• A person who causes, permits or induces a child to act as a prostitute commits a crime punishable by imprisonment of up to 14 years. [clause 33]
• The penalty for acting as an unlicensed prostitute is such that infringement notices may be issued for offences pursuant to the Criminal Procedure Act 2004. [clause 44]
• The Commissioner of Police will have the power to provide information regarding clients who have been issued with barring notices to operators or managers, if it is considered necessary to minimise the risk of harm or injury to any person. [clause 118]

Health
• It will be an offence for a person to engage in an act of prostitution without using a condom (or other appropriate barrier to STIs). [clause 28]
• There is a positive obligation on operators and managers to issue condoms free of charge to workers, and ensure that their workers do not engage in acts of prostitution without using a condom (or other appropriate barrier to STIs). [clause 28]
• Operators and managers must take all reasonable steps to display health information to clients and to workers. [clause 32]
• Advertisements or statements made must not imply that a person is not infected, or is unlikely to be infected with a sexually transmitted infection. [clause 29]
• Possession of condoms cannot be used as evidence in connection with prosecutions for unlicensed prostitution. [clause 153]
 
Re: New WA Laws

There was an article on the front page of my local rag "Canning Times' by Dannae Snot (Synot), saying that Porter had approved the release of the draft prostitution bill and it will be discussed in Parliament and released for public comment, if we get the chance we should voice our concerns.

The only thing that gets a pollies attention, apart from scented chairs and the odd bra strap is votes.
 
I think you will find the Independent Liberal Dr Janet Woollard MLA Member for Alfred Cove is one of the prime movers behind this legislationl
Dr Woollard entered Parliament under the Liberals for Forrest banner and defeated the practiclly useless Doug Shave for this blue ribbon liberal seat .
 
Can't believe the spin and stero typing by politicians and media, just working up the public on the fear of sex, sounds so much like the yanks. The fear mongering by extremist religious groups is crazy, because all the prudes label and victimize anyone with a different opinion, not to mention the police keeping records on anyone who says anything is going to allow the prudes to win.

So if u run drug lab, bash police, rob old people, steal and kill you considered a respectable, live in the community person but if you are a ugly person wanting a root you should kill yourself otherwise you life will be ruined by the prudes. WTF is this place coming to when sex is such a fearful act that by the way is a prime directive of the human race.

Sick of incompetent people in position of power and decision making, your long term acts will only provide the opposite of what you are trying to achieve.
 
Oops got a bit miffed with today's West articles.

Won't be long we will have solicitation laws like in US. we don't want that.

We want a place were consenting adults carry out a safe service for all, without judgement by prudes and uninformed.

It will provide an overall better outcome for society. Imagine all the young that have been out with load that they can't off load, what will happen???
 
Well if this Bill gets passed it will be the end of touring ladies visiting WA as they wont be able to get a licence (non resident of WA) and it also looks like it will impact very heavily on private workers offering incalls.

I couldnt find in the proposed bill where outcall escorts are mentioned? I assume they will still need to be licenced, but as the premises where business takes place varies, it makes getting planning approval rather difficult?

Amy
 
The next thing that these idiots/bigots try to enact will be that all Punters must be registered etc, etc, etc.
T1
 
HMM!! A quick look reveals several worrisome areas:

*Local Council approval must be obtained before applying for a brothel license - open slather for the "not in my backyard" brigade.

* The registration requirements for working ladies are far more draconian than they need to be. (Palm print, probity check.. why not a bar code across the forehead too?)

* I cannot see how private ladies working from home can continue operating under this framework. This is a worry because most of them work unobtrusively and do not harm the amenity of the area in any way. In trying to keep the Asian pimps and gangsters from setting up shop in residential areas they have gone too far.

At least Porter has given all members a conscience vote, let us just hope it is a secret ballot so that the polly punters can save us all from this mess.
 
I concur with Svengali comments, the Enforcement section I feel is particularly bad, just reading the first 3 points sends shivers down my spine, the boys and girls in blue have some considerable power, which surprise could be abused;

• Conducting any form of prostitution business outside the licensed scheme, or, in relation to potential clients, entering or remaining in an unlawful prostitution business without lawful excuse, will be a criminal offence. [clause 9]; [clause 10]; [clause 13]; [clause 42]; [clause 43]; [clause 44]
• Police will have the power to enter premises, other than residences, which they reasonably suspect are being used to conduct prostitution businesses, without a warrant. [clause 92]
• Police will, upon receipt of complaints, have the power to issue closure notices restricting access to premises which they reasonably suspect are being used for unlawful prostitution, or on their own initiative where serious offences have occurred. These notices will be required to be considered by a court before being made permanent. [Part 7; Division 7]

What bright spark came up with this one, what a laugh;
Possession of condoms cannot be used as evidence in connection with prosecutions for unlicensed prostitution. [clause 153]
 
Well if this Bill gets passed it will be the end of touring ladies visiting WA as they wont be able to get a licence (non resident of WA) and it also looks like it will impact very heavily on private workers offering incalls.

I couldnt find in the proposed bill where outcall escorts are mentioned? I assume they will still need to be licenced, but as the premises where business takes place varies, it makes getting planning approval rather difficult?

Amy

I had a quick look through the summary of key points and I, too, latched onto the same 3 points. Whilst relaxing with a pina colada this afternoon (*hic*), a couple of thoughts went through my mind.

1. I would suggest that the industry consider making a submission to amend clause 48 by adding, after the words "...ordinarily resident in Western Australia", the following words "....or who have a current licence issued by another jurisdiction within Australia that is similar to a licence that would be issued by this jurisdiction."

If the intent of the Bill is "...to impose a strong regulatory and enforcement framework...", then if a WL has already been vetted in another jurisdiction, then why re-invent the wheel. When I was in the public service regulating companies (prior to ASIC), we had an undertaking with other states that allowed an interstate company to trade in WA without having to go through all the paperwork that was required when that company was first set up in the other state. Subject to lodging an application and a copy of that company's current certificate, that interstate company could then trade in WA. Adding the above wording would be a similar concept.

So, if a WL has already been certified in another jurisdcition, then including those extra words would be akin to recognising that WL in WA even if that WL didnt live in WA.

2. I'd be surprised if the Bill intends to wipe out an escort business, so how would it be licensed? If I may use Ruby's as an example, it would seem to me that Ruby's "premises" (ie where it operates from by taking calls, making bookings, scheduling etc) would need to be licenced even though the escort would be undertaking the "actual physical activity" elsewhere.

If the above interpretation is correct, then how does a private escort comply? Obviously the devil will be in the detail, however, I suspect that the regulatory agency would want the private escort's "premises" as the licensed premises. If the escort's premises was her home, then it appears that she will be caught out. However, what if her "proposed licensed premises" was, say, at a place like Ruby's? Still staying a private escort, if the escort and Ruby's came to an agreement whereby Ruby's (subject to the payment of an admin fee) would act as a service company to the escort (NOT as the escort's employer). The escort would still set her own fees (for which the client would pay the escort) and the escort would then pay Ruby's who would issue the escort an invoice for acting as the escort's service company.

Of course, this model would see that the escort's revenue would reduce due to having to pay Ruby's invoice. Assuming that this invoice would be classed as a business cost then, in theory, that invoice should be considered a tax deduction.

3. I'm unsure as to what the arrangement is between a WL and a parlour, eg Langtrees. For example, is it that of an employee/employer or is it something else? If it is that of an employee/employer, then a client entering Langtrees enters into a contractual arrangement (a legal relationship) with Langtrees and not with the WL for that WL's services. In other words, the client pays Langtrees the fee (as set by Langtrees) and Langtrees pays the WL a "salary".

However, what if the WL is a sole trader who "rents" space from Langtrees and pays for her share of costs (eg, towels, sheets, cleaning, condoms etc etc) to Langtrees in much the same way as I've mentioned in the Ruby's scenario above? In this instance, it would seem to me that the legal relationship would then be between the client and the WL. The WL would set her own fees and pay Langtrees an admin fee by way of an invoice.

Further, the WL could then be entitled to be classed as providing a "personal services business", refer to the link for more details ( Personal services business self assessment checklist ). In theory, this could also apply in the case of a private WL provided that the private WL nominated Langtrees (or other parlours if the private WL was to work out of multiple premises).

Regardless if the above option was worth a more detailed look or not, it also seems to me that private WLs are going to be prevented from "working from home" and would have to use premises that complied with the Bill's criteria.

At end of the day, the above are just my personal thoughts to perhaps help in looking at the issues or possible options. Having said that, the above should in no way been seen to be something that is doable or, indeed, practicable. I have just jotted my thoughts as this wont be the first time a government has introduced laws that make life difficult for hard working honest people who are just trying to make a living.

Fudd :)

ps: to the management of Ruby's & Langtrees, please note that reference to your businesses was for illustration purposes only and was not in any way intended to cause any inconvenience. :)
 
One good piece of news a liberal politican has rung today and coming tomorrow to try and understand the industry before he votes...lets hope I can show what a boring lot we are...we drink a little f...a little and talk a lot. lol
 
What is the date that this will be voted on? Perhaps I missed it?

...not an easy answer JBG.....as the Bill needs to go through a complex process that involves 3 "readings" in the lower house (Legislative Assembly) and, if passed, a further 3 "readings" in the upper house (Legislative Council). Provided there are no issues (problems can stall the whole process or defeat the Bill), the Bill is sent to the Gov General for royal assent and is enacted. It's at this point that the Bill becomes an Act.

At the moment, the Bill has had its 1st reading because it is now a public document so there are another 2 more readings in the lower house before going to the upper house.

Here's a link to the process if you are bored....check out the flow charts.

Parliament of Western Australia - Bills

Fudd :)
 
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Open Invitation to all sex workers
Three to nine politicians are coming to
Langtrees on the 23rd June 8pm to meet with management and the ladies so they have a chance to express their concerns on proposed legislation.
I have decided to close for business 7.30pm to 10.30pm and invite all and any industry workers to come and attend and show them how the proposed new laws will be disastrous and discriminatory. You need to post that you are interested as numbers will be limited to 100 people.
One of my ladies Louise who also works as a nurse had a great idea that the ladies wear their everyday uniform, the single mums make a photo board of their kids, the university students make a poster of what they hope to achieve in future years.
The politicians have to see that the industry are everyday woman with equal rights to privacy.
This invitation is open to everyone including madams and girls including those that have no time for me or Langtrees. After the meeting it will be business as usual.
Langtrees is the only place big enough to host this, and it seriously might change enough politicians points of view to halt proposed legislation= so get off your butts and make a effort.
No media, camera's or mobile phones will be allowed
email ladies@langtrees.com if you want to be heard.
I will organize and pay for a professional to host the meeting/debate and promise to speak no longer personally than 7 minutes.
 
Did anyone read those articles on this in weds west? WLs vomiting! fat slobby cilents! swedish policy?!??! The works!
 
I would like to have 10 punters that are prepared to speak out, we will give two minutes each to those that want to address the politicians...I will expect a written outline of the points they want to get across so we don't all rant and rave about the same issue and cover as many points as possible.
I also need 10 guys to handle security and parking all offers will be considered.
We will voice record the address so they can be forwarded to all politicians.
 
Guess they turn us even more into criminals (bars etc are actually not allowed to serve alcohol to W/Ls........). Our trade will be the only one with finger/palm prints.......:laughing4.......why not finger print people working for the government?
And the best part....you are allowed to carry around more then one condom without being considered a W/L........oh dear!!!!!!! If it wouldn't be so sad it could be actually funny.

R.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 
Perhaps we should all go to Langtrees and take photos of the Pollies entering and leaving - then send copies to the West Australian.
T1
 
The comments in the west were by Linda Watson who now works for the Australian Family Association. She worked 30 years ago and this sort of thing may of happened, but coming from this particular lady...I would even doubt that.
 
[/QUOTE] So if u run drug lab, bash police, rob old people, steal and kill you considered a respectable, live in the community person but if you are a ugly person wanting a root you should kill yourself otherwise you life will be ruined by the prudes. WTF is this place coming to when sex is such a fearful act that by the way is a prime directive of the human race.

Sick of incompetent people in position of power and decision making, your long term acts will only provide the opposite of what you are trying to achieve.[/QUOTE]

LOL AHMEN TO THAT HONEY!!!:headbang::occasion14
 
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Mary-Anne I will be arriving home on this day & will be there with bells & whistles on- my view point will be on the handicapped & extreme kinks eg cross dressers & their mental health effects if they were denied an outlet... Hope this is ok?? Would really love the opportunity to help my home & world a little! As the industry has given me soo much over the years! xxoo:occasion14:headbang:
 
Or if you prefer i can address the issue of Langtrees Kalgoorlie Club 181, that we where already here before the was any residential area & that why should we have to uproot (bad choice of words lol) as we haven't done anything wrong?
 
This is very unfair to all of us ladies Palm Prints?????More like invasion of our privacy.I am very interested in attending this meeting pls advise how I would let you know?
 
Sabrina just call 9473 8999 try to have some notes on the points you want to speak about, these politicians are hear to listen to us so we cannot attack them about the proposals they wouldn't be coming if they were not
t also concerned.
 
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