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Too many guys seeking freebies

greenfield

greenfield

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In recent months I've started seeking a couple of ladies to my circle of regulars after the retirement of a couple of ladies. I've come across a common theme amongst somes ladies, and that is they find that they increasingly getting unwanted attention from so called "friends", who want nothing other than to spend some time with them, a few drinks, some chit chats, and the occasional sexual fovours. The problem with this is that they don't usually get paid for this, and the ladies are too nice to tell them to piss off because they still value their friendships, but what it comes down to is that time is still money, in particular those who only work part time. After work, they are usually too tired to be in the mood for anything else.

I am not sure why I am writing this, but in recent months I started to see the lady's side. They work because they need money, they most likely hate to work, yet they get unwanted texts, phone calls, requests for dinners, lunches, etc...but please make a booking, and don't just expect it to be free.

I've had a couple of glasses of white, so I am writing this which may offend some, but what the hack, pay even if the lady says no.

If there is one word of advice, its better to pay and get out then be involved in some wishy washy relationship. Another option is to take the lady home and make her the lady of the house...problem solved.

f88k, what have I said???
f**ken drunken greenfield had too much wine.

One day, i will invite you all to my winery to have some wine, but you pay for the air tickets, I have plenty of rooms and wine, and good tucker.
 
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I'm with you on that one GF. I mean the topic as weel as having had a few.

When I'm with some of these ladies I am close to. Whether while I'm in long booking with them. Or I'm hanging out with them. Sometimes I'm privied to their texts. ESpecially when they whinge about the countless texts and calls about...come over for a drink.....wanna hang out......what time to you finish.......wanna catch up after you finish....blah blah blah.......woof woof woof.

Just a word of advice THATS NOT FROM MY WISDOM. A root is a freebie, and a coffee is a freebie. Their time is their own and precious to them. And just a heads up. most of the time they scowl at these unwanted texts. And even when they do return them with a `hi hun' or something of that sort. Just please understand that from their point of view the guy on the other end is making a dick of himself. They are only NEARLY willing to return a few texts if they have time for clients that are of regular and multiple hour bookings. Well thats what they say.

So yeah, I'm with Greenfield on this one. Guys should just limit correspondence to making bookings and keep the shit they gotta say within booking times.

And why did I write this??? Because I have been one of these dicks in the past. I have since learned that I have embarressed myself countless times thinking that I am worth remembering to them when I'm just a punter. For that sort of thing, meeting them a different way is a must.

May the Force be with You
 
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Yoda, we've all been thru it, got excited over simple meaningless replies as you've said, "hi hun.."
My golden rule for the last few years is that I pay for their time if I call.
If they call me to catch up, I still pay for their time.
Its very simple when its like this.
 
greenfield said:
If they call me to catch up, I still pay for their time..
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I have a problem with this, and not just because I hate telemarketing/cold calls. It implies that you don't think your time is worth as much as theirs. It also suggests that spending time with you is a chore and that a lady (working girl or not) would get nothing of value out of purely hanging out with you.

Us gents can provide more than just money.
 
retrowolf said:
I have a problem with this, and not just because I hate telemarketing/cold calls. It implies that you don't think your time is worth as much as theirs. It also suggests that spending time with you is a chore and that a lady (working girl or not) would get nothing of value out of purely hanging out with you.

Us gents can provide more than just money.
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Agreed Retrowolf. We can offer more than just money, and it can be beyond a chore. However I have learned overtime from them showing me insights into their world many times over that when we meet them as clients we are clients.

If we are photographers, or advertisers, or something else thats professional it stays that way as well. I'll speak for myself here but the real connections are the ones I don't pay for. The ones I meet in a cafe, or a bookstore, where the initial impression is sparked by a bit a of game. In saying that I still love the paid encounters as it is good in its own way and is not comparible with unpaid encounters. But I for one know why I am there and we both know why the WL are there. Funny enough, its when I don't do the annoying and needy thing, and pay them without ripping them off that they start to show interest after some time without my asking.

Having made the mistake myself a few times, and now seeing the way they react when they get the annoying texts I am just stating what is.....there is very little opinion here. But I cringe and smile to myself and realise how much of a douche bag I used to be when I'm with them and they laugh off what they describe as the love sick dillusional shmucks. And again.....this topic is close to heart because I was once dillusional myself, and tried to get too close without paying. I may have had affectionate intentions, but they see it as something as annoying as one of many pimples on their bum lol.

Anyway, thanks again to Greenfield, its a good topic. These are hard to come by these days.

Oh and on the note of whether I think my time is as precious as theirs, yes I do. That is why I respect their time. They set the boundaries, I follow them respectfully, and it is up to them whether they let me pass the boundaries or not. I have never been able to push past their boundaries, but I have been invited without asking when they see that I respect their personal time and space.

May the Force be with You
 
Good topic, gentlemen

There are excellent points made, here.

Greenfield, I agree that there may be many punters looking for freebies. They think, being as the WL in question shows them some quality attention, that they are somehow special. They consider that what THEY have to offer is somehow more than any other "ordinary" punter. They perhaps feel they deserve the freebie. That just isn't fair. They need to wake up and smell the roses. These girls are businesses. However, in saying this, these girls are also people, with thoughts and emotions. Perhaps there are occasions when the girls have genuine feelings for a particular punter. I consider this to be an opportunity to explore possibilities.

If you are single and looking for a relationship, then why should the girl’s occupation stop you from developing such? If the feelings are only one sided, of course you should grow up and realize that she is just doing her job and doing it to the best of her ability.
Master Yoda, I think we have all been in the situation of making fools of ourselves. What is the expression? “There is no fool, like an old fool”. I have made a plonka of myself on a couple of occasions. Once with Jojo (now ShaSha) and once with Beauty (ex Angel and Linda). I thought these girls had a soft spot for me. Perhaps they liked me a bit, but I think they liked my money more. However, never did I expect any freebies. I was never offered and I never asked for anything that they were not prepared to provide without prompting. The special relationship was all in my head. When I realized the truth the damage to my ego was minimal, but embarrassing enough to teach me a lesson. I have not seen ShaSha since and Beauty has left WA. Pity on both accounts.

Now, there is one lady I met a while ago who is special to me and perhaps I am special to her also. I have tried to be a friend to her and help out when needed. She is a lovely lady with a few friends, so I am one of a small number. There was one occasion, when I was invited to visit her a couple of months ago. We spent some time together talking and laughing. One thing led to another and before we knew it, we were in each other’s arms. Things progressed a little further to the point of becoming very sexual. It was then I stopped and told her that I had come as a result of her invitation and I was not expecting any sex. Besides, I had not brought enough money for a booking. Her comment was to the effect that she had not asked or expected any payment. We did continue to what I describe as a passionate lovemaking session. It was a one off. It was beautiful and very special. It has not happened since and I have seen her a few times after. I will continue to see her and never expect anything more than she is willing to give.

I must say that she is one lady that I would quite happily take home to be my SWMBO, but I think my current SWMBO may have something to say about that. Bummer.

So, in closing, I think it would be fair to say that freebies do happen, on occasion. However, they should not be encouraged or accepted as the norm. We should expect to pay for a service and be happy that it is available to us. Let’s face it, some of us are not pretty (myself included). We also need to remember that these girls are working and can’t spare the time for punters who want to try for the relationship benefits. As Mater Yoda points out, if we treat them well, they may return the favour in spades, whether we pay or not.
 
Some guys think that just because they have been helpful to WLs, they are entitled to be they "fuck buddies". WRONG. I am not saying that the concept of fuck buddy does not exist. If a WL considers the guy as a FB, then she will call him to catch up. If that doesn't happen, then she does not want to see him. Persistence can be classified as harrassment.
 
I definitely think this is an interesting topic. The amount of clients who I get wanting to book me for an hour or two but have dinner as friends first before the booking, their shout as though that's fair! I genuinely like alot of my clients, some I would be friends with, some I like but purely as a client, so what makes them think that I would want to spend my private time with them? Especially after I have told them nicely once or sometimes several times that I would like to continue seeing them but only as a client.

I don't mean to sound like I'm being rude, I'm not. Iv just had alot of this lately and it gets frustrating and time consuming.

I have even had a client book for half an hour, it went over by 10 minutes or so and knew it would probably be a bit long so i asked if he wanted to extend the booking or not and he said he would stay for the hour. At the end we chatted, he seemed genuinely nice he had been there for almost 2 hours and I was fine with that as we had finished the actual booking, anyway I always get the money up front don't know why I didn't this time and at the end of the booking he only paid for half hour, I think he assumed because we had gotten along well that he didn't need to pay for the other extended half hour. Clients like him ruin it for everyone.
 
Can't agree with you more Leah.
Some Clients for some reason think they are friends, and that they are welcome anytime.
Perhaps sometimes, its a lot easier for the lady to just be straight. A WL may like some of her clients, and perhaps indulge a little more than the norm with some, but that doesn't mean the client can take advantage of her time and expect more of her time in the future. My personal experience of confirm all these discussions here.
 
This msy one of the few times where being good at your profession is a
negative. Fantasies and escape are part of your working day. It seems
the line between the fantasy and the business transaction gets blurred.
Especially in these modern days where lonliness is so much more common,
offer a True GFE and for some the fantasy is quite real. it must be hard
on W/L's ladies sometimes.
 
All too true. There is nothing like letting the fantasy build up when in session with a WL who provides a good GFE. The rule to remember (and it can be extremely difficult) is to revert to reality when the session ends. Some of us, self included, have learned by bitter experience that trying to extend contact beyond the paid session can paint us as tossers and/or creeps, and puts undue burden on the WL.
If sufficient mutual regard leads to a WL inviting contact out of session, well and good, but we have no right to expect such invitation.
 
I like this thread alot and i like it even more that it was started by a (male punter or not) we also get this in house aswell people going over there time even if the lady does try to get them out the room they will stay for an extra half an hour sometimes and then when it comes to leaving they refuse to pay for that half an hour. The ladies that this may happen to could of finished there booking cleaned up meet another punter and gone into another booking in this time. While saying this ladies also need to keep track of the time aswell. Cathy
 
Yeah I think some clients do have alot of trouble realising it's a fantasy, iv had clients say to me during the booking that they know I like them and I wouldn't be like this with all my clients so it can get hard sometimes but all part of the job I guess!

If the W/L was to contact you to chat or catch up then it's probably a different story, you know that she is choosing to spend her personal time with you.
 
leah. said:
Yeah I think some clients do have alot of trouble realising it's a fantasy, iv had clients say to me during the booking that they know I like them and I wouldn't be like this with all my clients so it can get hard sometimes but all part of the job I guess!

If the W/L was to contact you to chat or catch up then it's probably a different story, you know that she is choosing to spend her personal time with you.
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Very well said Leah,
I have been one of those guys and reading this im not very proud of it but will have to change my view on things and thinking that im was not that special.Fantasy is what it is and everything else, we are in 'denial' which is a river in Egypt and parts of Africa,ha ha..
 
Its very simple, pay, be respectful, leave when the time is up.
If the lady really wants to see you beyond a business transaction, then she will call you.
A good WL is one who makes every client feel special. So don't think its not just a job for her.
 
I have the odd client that I choose to spend time with as I enjoy the intellectual stimulation or whatever with them.

However, if they want to do the sex thing, it is strictly on a paid basis. And that is only if I want to, I don't feel obliged just because we met through the sex industry. I also have respect for the guys who text me or ask me to spend extra time with them for free, rather than just turn up at my place un-announced, which has happened. If the client has the respect not to do that, I try to keep that in mind and be kind about any rejections.
 
I haven't been here for ages, but this is a great thread.
I read regularly on different sites how some guys seem to think they are special to the ladies, Some seem to think they are special to all of the ladies they have seen more than a couple of times.
Business is business, treat them nice and naturally they will come back and from the other point of view their custom will be welcomed.
Does the pretty little bank teller you have a laugh and friendly relationship with give you extra cash with your withdrawal? No, she enjoys your custom, and you enjoy her friendly service.
From experience, special and loving relationships can develop but are best if sex does not form the basis of that relationship. ie genuine friendship is allowed to be the overriding driver of the relationship.

Maybe too many beers here, not Confucious
 
I run into this problem literally every shift i work. Ive had marriage proposals, offers to move in & confessions of love. I can see why it can be difficult for some punters (particularly those new to WL's) to make the distinction between a good or enjoyable service and genuine affection. As harsh as that sounds, you wouldn't ask a lady at a bar repeatedly for her number if shes not interested, even if she's talking to you.

I AM NICE TO EVERYONE, I WILL MAKE TIME FOR ANYONE THAT IS POLITE AND INTERESTING, THAT DOESNT MEAN I WANT TO BE YOUR GIRLFRIEND.

And when all is said and done punters behaving like this just makes it harder to provide a good service because it puts you on edge and makes you overly conscious.
 
It is a little sad that some punters get so involved in the fantasy
that they are confusing an hour of fun whether it be sex or just
living in a different world for a while With the world outside
 
That is why they are Ladies of the Night because the do not give it away for free (those ladies have a different name) they provide a service and the service has value. When I take my car in for a service I don't expect to hang out with the mechanic and maybe get a free lube....whatever, I pay for a job to be done
and thats it.
 
"When I take my car in for a service I don't expect to hang out with the mechanic and maybe get a free lube...."

Ha ha ha ha ha .... that's good!!:laughing4
 
Very interesting thread. When I first saw the title of it I immediately thought of 'guys wanting freebies' who haven't even MET you yet!

The atypical sms or email that goes something like:

"Im 22, buff, got a six pack stomach, big (insert the number 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12" wherever applicable) cock, you know youll love me baby, but go no money im always broke, but you know you want me. When you free?"

And then send variations thereof again and again.

Oh yes. I am sooooo turned on by destitute men who beg :rolleyes:

Aeryn
 
Hi Miss Aeryn
Surely it cant happen too often can it? I mean surely they know you are profesional
and that you are trying to make a living Not a sex starved W/L who advertises just to get a bit of rumpy pumpy as my old man used tocall it
 
*** snip chomp snip munch ***
 
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Miss Aeryn said:
"Im 22, buff, got a six pack stomach, big (insert the number 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12" wherever applicable) cock......but you know you want me. When you free?"
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Hi Aeryn,

Do you think the following would work to get a freebie???

"I'm 50+, short balding slob with a one pack (gut) and a big 2" cock...."...lol

Fudd :)
 
Alecia the Foxx said:
"When I take my car in for a service I don't expect to hang out with the mechanic and maybe get a free lube...."

Ha ha ha ha ha .... that's good!!:laughing4
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W/L do provide you with a different kind of service so I don`t think it`s fair when some have compared it to your local mechanic.
I mean because I take my car to only one all the time and he knows that, if it`s something quick and easy... he`s just brush it off and say no charge and when I buy my polony at the local deli... Sometimes they give me a couple slices free...

Sometimes we like to think of the lady we are seeing as a friend rather then just a business transation.

Ok.. I`m ready to be burned now...:violent5::ky:
 
billybones said:
W/L do provide you with a different kind of service so I don`t think it`s fair when some have compared it to your local mechanic.
I mean because I take my car to only one all the time and he knows that, if it`s something quick and easy... he`s just brush it off and say no charge and when I buy my polony at the local deli... Sometimes they give me a couple slices free...

Sometimes we like to think of the lady we are seeing as a friend rather then just a business transation.

Ok.. I`m ready to be burned now...:violent5::ky:
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That's a good point, I don't believe the WL/Mechanic anology works too well.

For those WL's who do charge for extras, then yes getting 'free lube' at the mechanic I guess maybe is a fair analogy. But what about all the WL's including me who just charge a flat all-inclusive rate?

Being a sex worker professional IMO is like no other job out there. Nothing compares to it. Yes it is a business transaction but at the same time one may well be friends. But then we enter murky waters here.

What exactly is a 'friend'? We all have different definitions depending on past history and circumstances.
 
Hey BB the girl working at the deli is generally an employee and as isn't giving you anything She is stealing from the boss technically. Or in a nicer world she is the PR girl and keeping
the customer happy and coming back . But still not a freebie
Anyway bb you should be offering your polony not receiving Especially from someone with a very sharp blade and a hankering for cutting knobs
 
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