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the controversy about circumcision

damien20

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Damn Dallas,you're a braver men than me!
When i was a teeny weeny tacker my mother-a nurse, had it in her mind (for hygenic reasons) to make sure that her boys "got the chop",reading your horror story makes me want to thank her tommorrow when i see her

reminds me of a song..part of it: from Bawdy ballads "OLE KING COLE"

Put it on the block, chop it off, said the butchers,
Throw your balls in the air, said the jugglers,
Stick it in and out, in and out, said the tailors,
Fiddle diddle dee diddle dee, said the fiddlers
 

Dallas

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Thanks for the sympathy Damien! yes it was incredibly painful and plus due to my age the pain didn't stop me feeling horny the whole time which just made it a thousand times worse, it took six weeks before I was back in action. In my case I wished I'd had it done prior to puberty. I wonder if the song is on youtube lol;-)
 

BigMike

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I have a perfectly functioning uncircumcised penis... and I feel glad (and lucky) my parents never chose to have me circumcised.
Of course if I was circumcised I may feel differently. The way I see it though, is if I really wanted to be cut... I could arrange that. It'd be painful, but at least I have a choice in the matter.


Funny.. just by chance I read this in 'God is Not Great' by Christopher Hitchens on the way to work today.


In more recent times, some pseudosecular arguments have been adduced for male circumcision. It has been argued that the process is more hygienic for the male and thus more healthy for females in helping them avoid, for example, cervical cancer. Medicine has exploded these claims or else revealed them as problems which can just as easily be solved by a “loosening” of the foreskin. Full excision, originally ordered by god as the blood price for the promised future massacre of the Canaanites, is now exposed for what it is — a mutilation of a powerless infant with the aim of ruining its future sex life. The connection between religious barbarism and sexual repression could not be plainer than when it is “marked in the flesh.” Who can count the number of lives that have been made miserable in this way, especially since Christian doctors began to adopt ancient Jewish folklore in their hospitals? And who can bear to read the medical textbooks and histories which calmly record the number of boy babies who died from infection after their eighth day, or who suffered gross and unbearable dysfunction and disfigurement? The record of syphilitic and other infection, from rotting rabbinical teeth or other rabbinical indiscretions, or of clumsy slitting of the urethra and sometimes a vein, is simply dreadful. And it is permitted in New York in 2006! If religion and its arrogance were not involved, no healthy society would permit this primitive amputation, or allow any surgery to be practiced on the genitalia without the full and informed consent of the person concerned.
 

Langtrees VIP Perth 3

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As a parent we are bombarded with choices to make for our infant children often without all the facts. We believe that doctors know what is best ( a terrible misconception ).
Circumcision or not? Adnoids and tonsils or not. Grommets for ears or not.
Don't make judgement until you have experienced the decisions some of us had made whether educated or not. Age has educated so much more but often these decisions are put on the shoulders of young parents.
 

BigMike

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Lots of men (and women.. but mostly men) think female circumcision is tops. That's their opinion, I guess.
100 million girls in Africa alone... and counting.
 

Salvatore

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Never was circumcised. Nor were my brother or dad. All of us are ex-military and spent extensive time in both desert and jungle areas. Never a problem. Yes each of us were field force so showers weren't common. As for women being circumcised, that is even more barbaric.
 

Anastacia

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I am a firm believer in circumcision. It should be done for hygienic reasons and a circumcised penis looks better then an uncircumcised one!-)
My friends son have had health problems because he wasn't circumcised.

PS


A surgeon retires from his long career as a specialist in circumcision. Throughout his career he has saved hundreds of foreskins as momentos and now wishes to turn them into a souvenir. He takes his specimens to a leathersmith and asks him to make something out of them. A week later the surgeon returns and the leathersmith presents him with a wallet. ‘All those foreskins and you only made me a wallet?’ exclaims the surgeon. The leathersmith replies, ‘Yes, but if you stroke it, it becomes a briefcase.
 
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BigMike

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*facetious alert!*

My friends son got DVT... because he's got legs. Therefore children's legs should be amputated at birth. We wouldn't want those things causing any trouble. No matter how small the risk.

Enjoy the risk of DVT non-amputee suckerz! :)

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Looks better? Well, case closed then!
 

honestman

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Upon this subject… this I can relate.

Since born - I'm uncut. And I have never; ever (until recently as described below) understood if there is ever any true WEIGHT of implications of anyone's life - personal or otherwise - whether he is circumcised or not. That was my way of thinking since I was small. I looked at others in college and sure - they're full of assholes and dickheads but each to their own - I wasn't bullied heavily as such or as bad (but that comes in another story) - but one thing for sure - in that throughout puberty - I have never encountered any stigma, whether it be from anyone from school (I went through two different primary schools, and two different colleges) attached to this subject of circumcision. NOR WAS I being picked upon or heard of others being picked and bullied just because a kid's loose down there and not as cool and 'strong' looking as everyone's else.

To me, being uncircumcised was like ' ok big deal, what is it? it's just an extra skin on its' own. Whatever's underneath it is none of my concern.' I wash it, took care of it, just like every day motions of living.

So, as I thought was then - was I sincerely believed was 'good' enough to be widely accepted in society. Even then, my parents didn't even hint or have given me any reason why I'm wasn't cut. Because back then, I didn't care. Honestly didn't care at all.

Because nobody noticed it as ever something to be worried about. Nobody complained. Nobody ever raised anything against it. And as now - I have never had a girlfriend nor a partner. Maybe I was the absolute loner who thought hell with everyone else - it's just me, I could live with it!

And thus so, I have kept myself on an 'ignorance is bliss' state for a good twelve or so years…

…..until four years ago, in 2009.

When I had my very first sexual encounter. And that was whilst on a solo-holiday in K/L. With my very first W/L. And that ended as a disaster. That moment was the start of every health condition/s that I did not ever know I had all along - from my congenital curvature all the way to my ED.


* Pulling the foreskin for the VERY FIRST time *
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Now, picture this for a good minute.

If you, have lived in an underground shelter, with little natural light. For a good decade or even since you are born, and then you stumbled across a moment or given a chance with this possibility - maybe it's time for take a walk outside it looks sunny?

I would guarantee you that your eyes won't thank you for it. You are seeing sunlight for the very first time.

…And the above moment is exactly what my first experience was like when she helped me pulling the foreskin all the way up.

Yes, all the way up, for the very first time, under a semi cold shower. I saw my inner identity down there. For the very first time at the age of 24. Poor bugger. As soon as you touch it, it felt enormously cold & sensitive as it felt like a shock; even at the slightest touch.

Long story short, not even 15 minutes later - everything from that point on was history. I've began questioning everything in my head, researched and read almost every papers on the internet, articles, issues and stories about circumcision. Even going to as far as making an appointment to see an urologist (bloody long 4 months of waiting time no joke) for possible advice on adult circumcision & opinions on congenital curvature. Asked him questions as whether that is true, or what do you think of this research, etc.

At the end comes the quotation for an adult circumcision & correction (this via Nesbit procedure). It's going to cost me $3300 dollars. Excluding some specific hospital and surgery fees.

And then there was a permanent side effect that I had to live it if I were to go ahead with it with this nesbit procedure + adult circumcision. I was told I was going to lose up to 1.5 inches of length.


Throughout all my reading of various papers and research, yes there will be sacrifices and contradictory results. And yes, I have read horror stories where the stitches did not properly 'dissolve' as it should into the tissue. And yes, I have read real cases where even though the patient were promised of no less than 1 inches of loss - but in the long run it was way more length loss than that as a result. Also there's conflicting evidences between what is considered a successful sexual feeling response between uncircumsised (befores) and circumcsised (afters) patients.

As much as I did raised him these questions. None of those were answered by him, although he genuinely offered a genuine enough concern over my conditions to let me think about the cost and effects with it.

….long story short - I decided not to do it.

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Where I am now and what I think of this subject
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I thought long and hard to myself for all those years - I actually somewhat regretted being uncut all along.

Why didn't anyone ever brought this up to me personally one to one? Not even my parents or my step/parents?

So up until three years ago, I've decided to live with what I call a psychological training regime - to live and practise pulling the foreskin all the way up in as many times as I could within a day. Every day. And that regime has been proven to be quite painful and to the point I remembered where it would take me at least a good 4 to 5 VERY LONG months before I could start to comfortably masturbate with the foreskin pulled all the way back.

Within the space of four years - a lot I felt has happened. I started to discover that no matter how 'fine' you feel you think are, either in body or in soul - I have developed a personal belief in this modern life we all live in - we all, in some partial degree in one way or another - are at a disadvantage at some point of our lives. An undiscovered hidden illness. Or something that your parents may or may not have been aware of all along. Or just perhaps something of a lingering feeling that has been growing with you for quite some time and yet you cannot find a way to describe it.

But one thing for certain - now that three years now in this psychology training plus as I continue my fitness / weights lifestyle regime over the last 2 or 3 years prior to that and still counting - I have now decided that there is only one me. Sure, throughout all my encounters with W/Ls perhaps I have been questioned about my curvature once or twice - but one thing for sure - it no longer bothers me.

Nor with circumcision in that matter. Do I still regret it for being uncut and the history I faced with it? Perhaps. But can I live with it? For sure, because I have been willing to adapt so long as my genetics allow it to in all aspects of life - be it personal, intra-personal or outer-personal boundaries.

In short - It's not easy to overcome and to differentiate yourself as something that's not stereotypically instilled in the minds of millions. Being uncircumscied for sure made me less appealing down there (even though I fully shave as a strict daily regiment) - but to all the smiles I have both received and put upon the beautiful W/Ls out there made me realise that yes - as long as you have humility and integrity in one way or another - there is a society for everyone.

And the weight and value of that happiness is immeasurable beyond gold. To me at least, am a living proof - that it differs little whether you are cut or not.
 
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I think this is an age old debate because people make these decisions based on a variety of reasons and unless you’re in those circumstances faced with these decisions than it would be pretty hard to comprehend a person reasons.

We all have preference but at the end of the day belief is powerful xo
 

BigMike

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As a parent we are bombarded with choices to make for our infant children often without all the facts. We believe that doctors know what is best ( a terrible misconception ).
Circumcision or not? Adnoids and tonsils or not. Grommets for ears or not.
Don't make judgement until you have experienced the decisions some of us had made whether educated or not. Age has educated so much more but often these decisions are put on the shoulders of young parents.

I would say doctors often know what's best. Because they're doctors. Experts in the medical field. This is what they do for a living. Sure, they might not get it right 100% of the time but lets not mix Medicine up with Astrology.
Do you want to get your medical advice from your mate Robbo? Who processes zero medical qualifications, but did read a bunch of horse shit on immunisation on the Internet one time. Or do you heed the advice of medical professionals?

I myself don't need to be a card carrying 'parent' to say some parents are really stupid (I reckon that's a terrible misconception).
 

bushseeker

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Its far far far far more simple in australia in most cases than religion or the worry of disease.
Circumcision used to be very common in australia. Mostly due to it was the done thing like docking the tail ofba rottweiler.
With greater education and knowkedge
It seems much fewer children are now circumzized.
I have circumzized friends who did it to thier kids for no other reason than basically handing down the tradition
Id say 90% of children being circumzized in australia today are done for no other reason
 

homer

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* Pulling the foreskin for the VERY FIRST time *

Well, I can still remember vividly, unmasking my vigilante, removing that hood. Boy, was it a kinder surprise moment. It's like, what, there's more under the hood? I would have held an unhooding party/ceremony if I could to celebrate that moment "Wow, there's more?!"...
 

Maxxy

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it has to be said that circumcision is a religious ritual entirely, namely the Jewish and the Moslem Religion..

I think that part of your post is utter crap (maybe in future you should write something like "it is widely considered that circumcision is a religious ritual" rather than making it look like an unsubstantiated statement), there is no history of Jewish nor Islamic religion or blood in my family (we are from English and Scottish heritage) and yet all the males in the family were circumcised and religion never came into it.
 
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A lot of circumcision is now done because people want their sons to look like their dads. Followed by religion. Followed by medical reasons (phimosis for example).

Imagine the horror of getting to 22 and being told you've been doing it wrong because you can't retract your foreskin! Lucky it's very rare, I'd hate to think of how painful that would be getting the cut when you pop wood every. single. day...

Ouch
 
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A lot of circumcision is now done because people want their sons to look like their dads. Followed by religion. Followed by medical reasons (phimosis for example).

Imagine the horror of getting to 22 and being told you've been doing it wrong because you can't retract your foreskin! Lucky it's very rare, I'd hate to think of how painful that would be getting the cut when you pop wood every. single. day...

Ouch

Agreed...... I probably followed with my kids..... I do think it is healthier though.
 

SashaFabulous

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I say no ive heard it desentitizes you to sex making it harder to orgasm, and it leads to lasting trauma when done as a baby cruel! It also isnt cleaner as once said and can actually decrease good bacteria around the penis
 
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