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Hung jury in stealthing case

I was also falsely accused just to be alienated from my child. And she admitted it at cross examination. So you can thank these women for real victim's to scared to come forward
 
baal6007 said:
Alot more men would be falsely accused like I was.
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I'm sorry that you were.
The fact is though that unfortunately you are a minority compared to countless women being sexually assaulted over and over again, and this problem isn't going away.
The media doesn't cover 1% of sexually assaulted women.
Plus, more than 1 woman is killed by her male partner every week.

Accusations and words suck, I hear you, but vs physically, emotionally, and sexually abused, or death..... women have a lot more to overcome to feel safe, and it starts with being heard and believed first
 
Not at all. Both the accused and the accuser have a right to a fair justice system. I think there needs to be an improvement in the services for rape victims from medical examination to reporting to trial. There is a live human who suffered horrifically or who may have suffered horrifically and we are using the same court process to come to a judgment as we use for objects that are damaged so the court process needs to change.

I don't know what changes need to take place to see that happen. Perhaps those who are convicted need separate incarceration facilities to general population with psychological help to change their behaviour to encourage early guilty pleas. Perhaps both victim and accused need to have more psychological assessments aimed at getting to the truth as well as some form of counselling to deal with the trauma of the investigation and the court process.

I think prevention is better than the cause and while the dialogue about consent is better than it has been thanks to movements like #MeToo it could become be a lot better. Teaching people, no matter what gender they identify as about their right to and how to say no and all the ways you can have consensual sex is important and should start really young at home and in schools. Perhaps every porn where the woman is protesting about sex then gives in and enjoys it needs to have a before and after clip that states this can be a fantasy between consenting adults only and how to obtain consent or it can be sexual assault and where to go to seek help if you are a person who responds to a no during sex with a push to continue sex or if you are a victim of a sexual assault.
 
Bonnie B said:
I'm sorry that you were.
The fact is though that unfortunately you are a minority compared to countless women being sexually assaulted over and over again, and this problem isn't going away.
The media doesn't cover 1% of sexually assaulted women.
Plus, more than 1 woman is killed by her male partner every week.

Accusations and words suck, I hear you, but vs physically, emotionally, and sexually abused, or death..... women have a lot more to overcome to feel safe, and it starts with being heard and believed first
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I think its kinda crappy that you seek to belittle me and my story because you somehow think yours is better or that women are somehow bigger victims just because. I think this is the end of the conversation. I'll agree to disagree with you.
 
baal6007 said:
I think its kinda crappy that you seek to belittle me and my story because you somehow think yours is better or that women are somehow bigger victims just because. I think this is the end of the conversation. I'll agree to disagree with you.
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I agree end it. You know what's traumatising sitting in a accused box on a 4 day trial over something you didn't do. Facing 6-8years jail for something you didn't do. Not to mention 70k out of pocket and you can't get your money back.

All because someone wants to remove you from your child's life

Imagine all the men and women who are on jail over something they didnt do. Because they couldn't afford a lawyer....im sure men do the same making shit up. Its not a gender war. Men are also killed.

Because of women like this who make ahit up. real victims don't feel they get the treatment they deserve. It's 2 sided honesty
 
baal6007 said:
I think its kinda crappy that you seek to belittle me and my story because you somehow think yours is better or that women are somehow bigger victims just because. I think this is the end of the conversation. I'll agree to disagree with you.
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I'm not belittling your story or you because what you went through was horrible.

You told the truth and weren't believed by the court system.

It's the same as in the story above at the beginning of this post, that is, above all evidence, this is the truth of the situation, believe me and my word, and the courts haven't so far because of reasonable doubt being a contributing factor.

In the article had he said "no, I didn't do it", then I'd be more inclined to say it's a 50/50 both sides. He never, she said clearly, "he took what he wanted," and that sucks, it's not right.
 
What do you suggest then? The current model where rapists get away with it and women continue to be raped? Sorry you were falsely accused but if your sister, mother, wife or partner or daughter was raped and had to face medical, Police and court systems as they stand right now how happy would you be about that? How would you feel if she put herself through that and there was a not guilty verdict when the reality is that a good defence lawyer and a traumatised victim and the presence of the abuser in the court room can create reasonable doubt?
 
End of the say the jury decided if he was guilty. Not the court. Men and women who sat through this trial made this decision.

Say saying he's guilty without being at the trial is pretty silly
 
Celeste_SJ said:
What do you suggest then? The current model where rapists get away with it and women continue to be raped? Sorry you were falsely accused but if your sister, mother, wife or partner or daughter was raped and had to face medical, Police and court systems as they stand right now how happy would you be about that? How would you feel if she put herself through that and there was a not guilty verdict when the reality is that a good defence lawyer and a traumatised victim and the presence of the abuser in the court room can create reasonable doubt?
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That's exactly my point though. If it were my sister making the allegation, I'd naturally be inclined to believe her because she's my sister. If it were my brother being accused, I'd probably struggle to believe he'd do something like that because he's my brother.
That's why the court can't simply rely on what family members think. "She wouldn't lie" and "he'd never do that" are both opinions based on personal relationships, not evidence. The court has to look at the facts and decide what can actually be proven, regardless of who we personally believe.
 
Seduce me said:
End of the say the jury decided if he was guilty. Not the court. Men and women who sat through this trial made this decision.

Say saying he's guilty without being at the trial is pretty silly
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What I read in the article is definitely clear to me; they created reasonable doubt to be awarded a non-guilty verdict for sexual assault. I'm also a university graduate with my electives in mental health and psychology, also a sex worker, and someone who's spent over a decade dealing with the courts, so I'm very far from silly.
It's easy for me to read how this lawyer can win this case with the system that is currently in place. Create one minuscule bit of doubt that's easily done, and he's a free man. He never stated he didn't do it; he said that she had the situation wrong, and he had sex with her without a condom. So, he's been let off the sexual assault charge, and stealthing is yet to be decided.
As a sex worker I know this 'I don't want to wear a condom' situation well, I've been through it so many times before and will again. All of us sex workers do, but not wearing a condom is non-negotiable; it's too gross with too much risk and aftermath, so it must be on.
So, to go ahead and do it anyway, that guy is cruel.
 
Bonnie B said:
What I read in the article is definitely clear to me; they created reasonable doubt to be awarded a non-guilty verdict for sexual assault. I'm also a university graduate with my electives in mental health and psychology, also a sex worker, and someone who's spent over a decade dealing with the courts, so I'm very far from silly.
It's easy for me to read how this lawyer can win this case with the system that is currently in place. Create one minuscule bit of doubt that's easily done, and he's a free man. He never stated he didn't do it; he said that she had the situation wrong, and he had sex with her without a condom. So, he's been let off the sexual assault charge, and stealthing is yet to be decided.
As a sex worker I know this 'I don't want to wear a condom' situation well, I've been through it so many times before and will again. All of us sex workers do, but not wearing a condom is non-negotiable; it's too gross with too much risk and aftermath, so it must be on.
So, to go ahead and do it anyway, that guy is cruel.
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A university degree gives you an opinion, not a verdict.
You don't have access to the evidence, witnesses, or cross-examination the court heard. That's why guilt is determined in court, not from a news article.
Belief and proof are not the same thing

Also There are plenty of sex workers who offer services without protection, so we don't actually know what happened in this case.


But I assume you've read the article, so I guess that's enough evidence to reach a verdict? 😅
 
An educated opinion in a work environment that I'm experienced in? And the court isn't always correct because belief and truth can't always be conveyed correctly, as we both have experienced, sorry but true.
Bigger question, it's a Friday night, why aren't you out and about? I do enjoy this healthy debate, as it's been ages since I've had one, and you hold yourself well. I watched some of the 60 minute show, and you're not ugly, so why aren't you out?
 
baal6007 said:
I think its kinda crappy that you seek to belittle me and my story because you somehow think yours is better or that women are somehow bigger victims just because. I think this is the end of the conversation. I'll agree to disagree with you
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I'm sorry if you felt I was belittling you, I wasn't. I am not trying to undermine your experience, being falsely accused would be awful. I was expressing my opinion. Cases like this always attract speculation. Thank you for sharing your experience so openly and I am sorry if you felt like I belittled you.

Thanks Bonnie B for sharing your experience and background.

Conversations like the posts on here today can be conversations that spark change and a world where there is less sexual assault as well as justice and healing when sexual assault happens.
 
Bonnie B said:
An educated opinion in a work environment that I'm experienced in? And the court isn't always correct because belief and truth can't always be conveyed correctly, as we both have experienced, sorry but true.
Bigger question, it's a Friday night, why aren't you out and about? I do enjoy this healthy debate, as it's been ages since I've had one, and you hold yourself well. I watched some of the 60 minute show, and you're not ugly, so why aren't you out?
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Its not the court its the jury that deliberate, members of the public. Its only when appealed its decision is made between 3 judges

I've got work at 6am so early start. Also Friday nights in Perth are pretty boring. Save my money for my hobbies.

Also Why aren't you out and about?
 
Seduce me said:
Its not the court its the jury that deliberate, members of the public. Its only when appealed its decision is made between 3 judges

I've got work at 6am so early start. Also Friday nights in Perth are pretty boring. Save my money for my hobbies.

Also Why aren't you out and about?
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Ahhhhhhh, so many reasons, okay to private message you as this chat is becoming unrelated to this thread?
 
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