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Demon said:
The location was the problem, not the nuclear power. They were told to build it 3 kms inland (to avoid tsunami risk), but to cut costs of pipeline to sea (to get sea water) they ignored this advice.

People are incorrectly saying this accident proves nuclear power is unsafe. NO, building anything in a tsunami zone is unsafe, but particularly a nuclear power plant.
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Actually, in this case, it was the fact that everything conspired to cause the worst amount of damage. A double tsunami causing the tsunami wave to double in size in some areas, the earthquake causing the ground to lower by several feet, and the plain huge size of the earthquake. (Before this one, I didn't even think earthquakes got as high as 9 in our lifetime.)

Thankfully no lives were lost at the plant (a friend of mine worked in the IT building on the day, less than 100m from reactor 1), but the safeguards (inc. the tsunami walls) were there.

It was the decision-makers who wanted more budget for their kirin and geisha instead of a longer pipeline.
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I'm sure they would like a longer pipeline. :) (To bring this back to a sexual topic.)

But, the issue isn't as easy as that. The pipelines would have been destroyed, which similarly would have meant no cooling ability for the reactors, leading to the same problem. In this scenario there just wasn't a safe scenario in that particular area.

Thankfully, they finally have managed to get them fully shut down as of a week ago, and the latest info shows that contamination in the area is not as bad as some earlier predictions showed.

I'm not trying to forgive Tepco, or the govt agencies that didn't do their due diligence work, but we should also remember all the displaced people in the area and their plight and not forget about them.
 
And they did not fix it. They have kept the 'zombie banks' with bad loans still going, instead of admitting losses and getting on with it.

Europe and US are following same policies, as is Canberra. WA's boom (riding on Chinese dragon) is all that is saving Australia. Qld and NSW also participate in the boom but Brisbane and Sydney state pollies waste more than their coal mines bring in.

Our Greece is Tasmania.
 
ecchimiki said:
The pipelines would have been destroyed, which similarly would have meant no cooling ability for the reactors, leading to the same problem.
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Would not have led to the same problem. Pipeline destroyed = shut down reactor = no power = inconvenience.

Instead, reactor broken, leaking bad stuff = disaster.
 
And they spent the money from the international disaster donations on whaling :(
 
ecchimiki said:
No, they had a building bubble that burst a couple of decades ago. Housing and land prices went up and up and eventually reached a level where nobody could afford to buy their own house or even apartment. The only people who ended up having houses, etc. were people who inherited the house/land from their parents. The lack of free land close to Tokyo didn't help. Eventually the whole banking system just couldn't cope and collapsed.

We're getting pretty close to the same situation here, with housing, esp in Perth becoming impossibly expensive, at the same time people don't get matching rises in income to be able to afford buying, leading to ever greater mortgages. If the govt doesn't change the paradigm, either by releasing more land (ah, but that would reduce the value of people who DO own property, that'd piss them off) or by changing the one-family-one-house paradigm and going more vertical into apartment setups to stop the spread of the city (ah, but people don't want apartment complexes clogging up the skyline). One government is going to have to bite the bullet or the growth of cities like Perth becomes totally unsustainable. We already have people in areas like Kwinana, etc., which you would expect to be LOW VALUE, get to the point that mortgage defaults are increasing alarmingly.
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Some very good points there; with 1 missing and that is that 21% of homes in WA are foriegn owned and 14% are rented out by the banks after mortgage defaults. Also place on that the hidden tariffs on buying a home.:notworthy
 
Peter said:
Some very good points there; with 1 missing and that is that 21% of homes in WA are foriegn owned and 14% are rented out by the banks after mortgage defaults. Also place on that the hidden tariffs on buying a home.:notworthy
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Talk about the extras Peter We recently bought some land from a neighbouring sharefarmer The state taxes alone we astronomical
 
Demon said:
One of the taxes which you be abolished (Taxes on land transfer).
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when GST came in it was to abolish all other taxes, so they called them tariffs and duty's(alcohol, cigarettes condoms, IUD's STD treastments are but a few of the swtill in existance tariffs (taxes). Why are tampons considered a luxury Item and have an excise tariff placed on them. The current rate of GST is 10% openly admitted by Gov. in reality is is more like 18% across the board because of the extra tariffs, duty's and excise.:notworthy:occasion14
 
Peter said:
when GST came in it was to abolish all other taxes, so they called them tariffs and duty's(alcohol, cigarettes condoms, IUD's STD treastments are but a few of the swtill in existance tariffs (taxes). Why are tampons considered a luxury Item and have an excise tariff placed on them. The current rate of GST is 10% openly admitted by Gov. in reality is is more like 18% across the board because of the extra tariffs, duty's and excise.:notworthy:occasion14
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Nifty trick by Howard and Costello. They said GST was to abolish all 'Property Taxes'. And it did.

Real Estate is NOT property, it is real estate. This is known to all lawyers and accountants who do tax. Howard and Costello are lawyers by training.

They allowed the misconception to be maintained whenever the media or others (including their own pollies who did not understand it be gave their interpretation of the party line) said that real estate transfer taxes were to be abolished. Anyone who read the detail of the policy knew the lies that were in it.

I remember one WA liberal pollie on the radio going on about the GST and related taxes and getting most of it wrong, but the interviewer knew no better.
 
Demon said:
Nifty trick by Howard and Costello. They said GST was to abolish all 'Property Taxes'. And it did.

Real Estate is NOT property, it is real estate. This is known to all lawyers and accountants who do tax. Howard and Costello are lawyers by training.

They allowed the misconception to be maintained whenever the media or others (including their own pollies who did not understand it be gave their interpretation of the party line) said that real estate transfer taxes were to be abolished. Anyone who read the detail of the policy knew the lies that were in it.

I remember one WA liberal pollie on the radio going on about the GST and related taxes and getting most of it wrong, but the interviewer knew no better.
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The WA Liberal pollie was Mr Colin Barnett, great choiuce for premier! NOT!!!
 
Peter said:
The WA Liberal pollie was Mr Colin Barnett, great choiuce for premier! NOT!!!
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He was never a federal pollie, which I neglected to mention in my original post.

This was a federal liberal campaigning for his seat, but being interviewed on ABC. His ignorance was embarrassing, but if people had understood the tax it would never have got up.

Giving $200 to pensioners as their lifetime compensation for the GST got them to vote for Howard. The only demographic who did was the over 65s.

If the senate 60% of votes went to anti-GST parties, but the GST-party (nee Democratics) changed their mind after the election (except for Stott-Despoyer and Andrew Bartlett). They turned out to the the bastards (keep the bastards honest party).
 
The states were expected to repeal a slew of state taxes But no state government is going to give themselves a smaller cut of the pie Labor or liberal
 
wingman said:
And they spent the money from the international disaster donations on whaling :(
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No they didn't. That was a newspaper beat-up sponsored by Sea Shepherd.

Money from international donations all went to disaster recovery organisations in the areas where it was destined to.

What was claimed in the article was the JAPANESE GOVERNMENT's own disaster fund dispensed moeny to the whalers. This is the japanese govt's own fund, but even that headline was incorrect. Money from this disaster fund went to towns, etc. including some to towns that make a large part of their living through fishing and whaling. This money was used to help rebuild the infrastructure and the like. To claim that the money (like the infamous $28million in the articles) was directly given to the whalers so they can better fish in the southern oceans is totally incorrect.
 
ecchimiki said:
No they didn't. That was a newspaper beat-up sponsored by Sea Shepherd.

Money from international donations all went to disaster recovery organisations in the areas where it was destined to.

What was claimed in the article was the JAPANESE GOVERNMENT's own disaster fund dispensed moeny to the whalers. This is the japanese govt's own fund, but even that headline was incorrect. Money from this disaster fund went to towns, etc. including some to towns that make a large part of their living through fishing and whaling. This money was used to help rebuild the infrastructure and the like. To claim that the money (like the infamous $28million in the articles) was directly given to the whalers so they can better fish in the southern oceans is totally incorrect.
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I think you may well be right ecchimiki Money indeed went to towns
that are part of the whaling industry But not for the actual hunting of whales
The stories may well have said that. But those parts are drowned out by leading headlines
 
happy2 said:
The states were expected to repeal a slew of state taxes But no state government is going to give themselves a smaller cut of the pie Labor or liberal
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Most of the state taxes promised to be deleted were. Most did not affect most people. The higest profile ones which were deleted were the two bank transaction taes on deposits and withdrawals (Credit Duty and Debit Duty - BAD tax and (I can't remember the other nickname)).
 
Demon said:
Most of the state taxes promised to be deleted were. Most did not affect most people. The higest profile ones which were deleted were the two bank transaction taes on deposits and withdrawals (Credit Duty and Debit Duty - BAD tax and (I can't remember the other nickname)).
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......FID Tax......... :)
 
happy2 said:
Stamp duty and land taxes were also to go
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Not land tax. Stamp duty on property to be eliminated, but not real estate stamp duty (see my post above). Real estate is not property.

Many people voted on a misconception. Even then only 40% voted for GST parties. 60% voted for non-GST parties. But Dems (bastards, GST party) turned coat, and got wiped out over the next two elections.
 
Demon said:
Not land tax. Stamp duty on property to be eliminated, but not real estate stamp duty (see my post above). Real estate is not property.

Many people voted on a misconception. Even then only 40% voted for GST parties. 60% voted for non-GST parties. But Dems (bastards, GST party) turned coat, and got wiped out over the next two elections.
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I also remember a quote by a former NZ pollie who stated " the GST allowed the Government to get thier fingers further into the hip pocket of the working class, without any of them realising it!" I think that says volumes!!:occasion14:notworthy
 
Peter said:
I also remember a quote by a former NZ pollie who stated " the GST allowed the Government to get thier fingers further into the hip pocket of the working class, without any of them realising it!" I think that says volumes!!:occasion14:notworthy
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I knew some of the people pushing the GST. They were NZ accountants and lawyers, who quit their lobbying jobs after it came in to become consultants.
 
Great on the conspiracy theory fellows but no one changed the name of stamp duty tariffs fees state charges and taxes . The truth is The Feds created the GST ,there was some talk of abolishing a host of state taxes tariffs ect ,in the name of streamlining the tax system ,All the states excepted Fed disturbed GST $ very few state taxes were abolished, Premiers run the states not Canberra.

What's more there plenty of blame to spread around Libs and the ALP both have been in Gov Fed+ state and we still have Stamp duty tariff's GST plus a carbon tax mining tax coming and the green's talk about death taxes,
 
Farm Boy said:
Great on the conspiracy theory fellows but no one changed the name of stamp duty tariffs fees state charges and taxes . The truth is The Feds created the GST ,there was some talk of abolishing a host of state taxes tariffs ect ,in the name of streamlining the tax system ,All the states excepted Fed disturbed GST $ very few state taxes were abolished, Premiers run the states not Canberra.

What's more there plenty of blame to spread around Libs and the ALP both have been in Gov Fed+ state and we still have Stamp duty tariff's GST plus a carbon tax mining tax coming and the green's talk about death taxes,
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not so much as a conspiracy theory, but just pointing out that the Gov was just revenue raising via a system of dis-information/political correctness and general confusi0on on the issue. Remember the statement " There will never be a GST introduced by my Government." Who was that again?:occasion14
 
Funny how this thread changed from being about been seen by someone at an establishment to a debate about tax!
 
Gentleman said:
Funny how this thread changed from being about been seen by someone at an establishment to a debate about tax!
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It could be tax by the establishment!!! lol psml :laughing4:laughing4:laughing4:notworthy:notworthy
 
Gentleman said:
Funny how this thread changed from being about been seen by someone at an establishment to a debate about tax!
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Gentleman I think that can be one of the fun things of these threads Following them along their winding paths and seeing where they end up
 
Well, tax is far more interesting anyway, isn't it? Much rather think about than brothels and WLs any day...
 
antonov said:
Well, tax is far more interesting anyway, isn't it? Much rather think about than brothels and WLs any day...
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I know! A new sex tax:: WL's discount their fee every time their punter makes them cum, just a thought!!!:icon_blow:icon_blow:laughing4:laughing4:laughing4:occasion14:occasion14:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:-X:-X:-X
 
Peter said:
I know! A new sex tax:: WL's discount their fee every time their punter makes them cum, just a thought!!!:icon_blow:icon_blow:laughing4:laughing4:laughing4:occasion14:occasion14:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:-X:-X:-X
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Would that encourage them to fake more or less? :p
 
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