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I do wonder are asian W/Ls STUDENT . TOURIST. Australian citizens . Permanent Residents, or maybe sex slaves what do you punters with hands on experience think
Congrats Sue-Ling, I'm glad have found your place in the world. It's wonderful people like yourself that makes living in Australia so interesting. We are all so different and unique with our own history and experiences.
To the OP, Let's really hope they are over here enjoying them selves and saving for the future. Everyone that visits a working girl from overseas should make sure they are having a good time in our little part of the world and only have positive things to tell their friends and family back home.
To the OP, Let's really hope they are over here enjoying them selves and saving for the future. Everyone that visits a working girl from overseas should make sure they are having a good time in our little part of the world and only have positive things to tell their friends and family back home.
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Farm Boy
Great post Sue Ling,I love your attitude thank you for replying.
I actually did know you was a Ausey and sincerely say that your move here has improved our GENE POOL.
ozwarlock67
Legend Member
I met Sue Ling a couple of weeks ago and confirm she is a genuine soul no matter where in Asia she's from.
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OK Kim / Sue Ling is fantastic. However the question is, what do you men who visited asian W/Ls think they are
students ect?
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kakariki
Hi All
Most of the one's I have spoken to are students, when asked what days they work it's normally a couple of days and the rest studying at uni, others I have met have come here specifically to work and get some money and return home, although I don't know what type of visa they are on, and I know a couple of places that bring girls in from overseas for working stint and the girls seem very happy about it.
Gaz
Most of the one's I have spoken to are students, when asked what days they work it's normally a couple of days and the rest studying at uni, others I have met have come here specifically to work and get some money and return home, although I don't know what type of visa they are on, and I know a couple of places that bring girls in from overseas for working stint and the girls seem very happy about it.
Gaz
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I think your on the money KAKARIKI lots could be students, Coincidental driving home tonight I herd on the news that a Canberra man was reportedly charged with maltreating a Ty Woman who was described as a sex slave.
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kakariki
Hi
Yes most of the girls I know are Thai and although we hear a bit about this "slave" trade, all the ones I know either come here by themselves or have there trip organised by friends in the industry, and are very happy. Come out here, work hard, save some money and go back, normally the money is for their families as they are very family orientated.
Gaz
Yes most of the girls I know are Thai and although we hear a bit about this "slave" trade, all the ones I know either come here by themselves or have there trip organised by friends in the industry, and are very happy. Come out here, work hard, save some money and go back, normally the money is for their families as they are very family orientated.
Gaz
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Farm Boy
Sydney mother forced Thai women into prostitution
By court reporter Jamelle Wells ...... Today ABC online .
By court reporter Jamelle Wells ...... Today ABC online .
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perthmike
From what I have been told by various younger asian ladies, a mixture of student visas, working visas and tourist visas. A small number of 30+ age group had been married to Aussie guys to get their PR visas then they split.
Re: Asian Working Girls, Where do thay come from?
Guys the world is a smaller place now days. Most of the Asian ladies are on student visa's wanting to travel before they settle down. Many love the western life style and work to give them a chance to enjoy some of the freedoms we take naturally.
Most help and send money to their families, and most hope to meet a western guy and fall in love like Cinderella...raise a family and move on.
Some get trapped by the money in the industry, same as the western girls.
The only witch I have is that very few Asian houses pay GST, and the girls pay no taxes, so therefore can offer cheaper prices than the Aussie girls.
The ATO estimated four years ago at a public meeting I attended that 95% of Asian run parlors are not registered for GST which is why they move so quickly and you all get that dodgy feeling when visiting the underground Asian parlors.
Lastly but not least most Asian Girls have to pay 10% earnings to the person who organizes the introduction.
This is not necessary but they are filled with rumor and innuendo and think they have to.
Asian Students with a visa can work in the Aussie Houses for 20 hours per week (counted in the room time, not floor time) legally. They do need to declare to the taxation dept earnings; this would not exceed the 10% they pay to the middleman.
What the ladies need is the feel comfortable with communication and sometimes there English isn’t that great, which is why I will be selecting my new receptionists carefully. They must have good graphic computer skills and at least one extra language.
WA is a multi racial society and we need to offer the ladies & the clients more understanding.
I believe in a level playing field
Guys the world is a smaller place now days. Most of the Asian ladies are on student visa's wanting to travel before they settle down. Many love the western life style and work to give them a chance to enjoy some of the freedoms we take naturally.
Most help and send money to their families, and most hope to meet a western guy and fall in love like Cinderella...raise a family and move on.
Some get trapped by the money in the industry, same as the western girls.
The only witch I have is that very few Asian houses pay GST, and the girls pay no taxes, so therefore can offer cheaper prices than the Aussie girls.
The ATO estimated four years ago at a public meeting I attended that 95% of Asian run parlors are not registered for GST which is why they move so quickly and you all get that dodgy feeling when visiting the underground Asian parlors.
Lastly but not least most Asian Girls have to pay 10% earnings to the person who organizes the introduction.
This is not necessary but they are filled with rumor and innuendo and think they have to.
Asian Students with a visa can work in the Aussie Houses for 20 hours per week (counted in the room time, not floor time) legally. They do need to declare to the taxation dept earnings; this would not exceed the 10% they pay to the middleman.
What the ladies need is the feel comfortable with communication and sometimes there English isn’t that great, which is why I will be selecting my new receptionists carefully. They must have good graphic computer skills and at least one extra language.
WA is a multi racial society and we need to offer the ladies & the clients more understanding.
I believe in a level playing field
Nova i think i would know the real world better than you.
If you think about it the world and the different countries it is no differnet than a family of brothers & sisters.
They fight & squabble a lot, some do better than the others, isn't it important that we help our siblings along the way if we can.
We all came to this great country Australia, just over 200 years ago from somewhere else.
Why? we wanted a better way of life for our families and ourselves.
Why should the asian ladies be put down, because i have found most want the same thing.
If you are not born into a monied family choices are limited for the asian ladies, a job in there country pays $200 per month, how do they get ahead?
Learning English means if & when they go home job opps go up to $400 a month.
Sure lots get married to have a chance to stay, and a lot of these don't work out but remember.....
The marriage stats on divorce are lower for Aussie's and Asians than for Aussie's-Aussies.
I have found the Asian ladies easy to work with, across the board most give a very good service.
Remeber the question of the thread.
Where do they come from and why are they here?
To learn new skills and trying to improve there life choices. Some assume all Asian students work in the sex Indusrty. It would be lower than 10%
Most of these come to Australia by choice to work in our sex industry because once converted the rate of pay is better.
What is wrong with that?
If you think about it the world and the different countries it is no differnet than a family of brothers & sisters.
They fight & squabble a lot, some do better than the others, isn't it important that we help our siblings along the way if we can.
We all came to this great country Australia, just over 200 years ago from somewhere else.
Why? we wanted a better way of life for our families and ourselves.
Why should the asian ladies be put down, because i have found most want the same thing.
If you are not born into a monied family choices are limited for the asian ladies, a job in there country pays $200 per month, how do they get ahead?
Learning English means if & when they go home job opps go up to $400 a month.
Sure lots get married to have a chance to stay, and a lot of these don't work out but remember.....
The marriage stats on divorce are lower for Aussie's and Asians than for Aussie's-Aussies.
I have found the Asian ladies easy to work with, across the board most give a very good service.
Remeber the question of the thread.
Where do they come from and why are they here?
To learn new skills and trying to improve there life choices. Some assume all Asian students work in the sex Indusrty. It would be lower than 10%
Most of these come to Australia by choice to work in our sex industry because once converted the rate of pay is better.
What is wrong with that?
Rasmey 1
Foundation Member
I wouldn't say most, I would say nearly all have family obligations and contribute at least in some way to their family back home. In my first couple of years here I bought a place in Bkk for my family to live in cos they had no income (or welfare) after my father died.
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Farm Boy
I with Sue Ling on this one all the people from Asia that I met and there are quite a number in the wheat belt have very strong family commitments.
Brandy
Diamond Member
Thats been my experience of the Asian ladies who worked at Esquire. They were either paying their Uni fees and/ or helping their families. "Most" of ours have since completed their degrees and either left Australia, or married and stayed in the country. They have been fantastic to work with, and we had only one who I though might be under some duress, just because her"driver"/boyfriend " delivered her for the interview at Esquire. I asked for her working Visa and passport for I.D and never saw her again. She told me she was from Sydney and had been here 8 years as a resident... but she had the English skills of someone who'd been here weeks. Apart from that one, I agree with Maryanne.
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The Philippines remains on the US government’s human trafficking watch list due to its “inefficient judicial system" and “endemic corruption" in government.
In its 2010 human trafficking report released Monday (Tuesday in Manila), the US State Department retained the Philippines’ “Tier 2 watch list" rank, indicating that the country “does not fully comply with, but is making significant efforts to meet" the agency’s standards.
“The Philippines is a source country, and to a much lesser extent, a destination and transit country for men, women, and children who are subjected to trafficking in persons, specifically forced prostitution and forced labor," the report said.
The report cited an inefficient judicial system and corruption in government — especially in agencies tasked to solve the human trafficking problem — as reasons for the Philippines’ ranking.
“Widespread corruption and an inefficient judicial system continue to severely limit the prosecution of trafficking cases. The vast majority of initiated trafficking prosecutions are usually unsuccessful, largely due to lack of evidence after victims disappear or withdraw cooperation," the report said.
In its 2010 human trafficking report released Monday (Tuesday in Manila), the US State Department retained the Philippines’ “Tier 2 watch list" rank, indicating that the country “does not fully comply with, but is making significant efforts to meet" the agency’s standards.
“The Philippines is a source country, and to a much lesser extent, a destination and transit country for men, women, and children who are subjected to trafficking in persons, specifically forced prostitution and forced labor," the report said.
The report cited an inefficient judicial system and corruption in government — especially in agencies tasked to solve the human trafficking problem — as reasons for the Philippines’ ranking.
“Widespread corruption and an inefficient judicial system continue to severely limit the prosecution of trafficking cases. The vast majority of initiated trafficking prosecutions are usually unsuccessful, largely due to lack of evidence after victims disappear or withdraw cooperation," the report said.
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punters
I dont know whether she was a legal worker or not but I punted with a girl from Korea in a brothel. Her english wasnt the best but I could understand her and she told me she was working in a restaurant in melbourne cleaning for 400 a week prior to working in the brothel.The service she gave me was legal and second to none.
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ohhnoes
Most of them are students that do it for money.
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FatJack48
I read about this as well. What was interesting was a response made by a person who must have been a diplomat and a victim who was trying to co-operate, but probably on a different matter. She made the remark that if only the prosecutors would have followed her leads, instead of trying to screw her, and or, possibly, protect their own interests. She said if this had happened, she would have provided a step by step guide on how to produce the evidence required to convince a jury. She said it would have also given her an opportunity to put into place measures to establish proof of action and proof of trust before agreeing to appear as a star witness. She mustn't have been able to achieve either, because she changed her strategy. She completed her reply by saying, there are only three reasons why victims stop co-operating. The first if they know they are a mark. The second, is that there is nothing more painful for a victim than to relive, be ridiculed and have their own integrity questioned on the very matter that has caused them so much pain. The third is about trust. She must have been seeking assurances. I guess in her world trust must have been shattered by just about everyone. It's very easy for those who have not suffered the same experiences to make the claim that not everybody is the same, when in reality the truth of the matter is, when one's ability to trust has been shattered at the very core of one's self, it can be impossible to believe such a statement, irrespective of how authentic it may have been. She used the example that's it's a dangerous occupation exposing hair line cracks in a bungee chord that everybody says, is designed to save you. She said if you can't trust the chord not to snap you in half on the way down, then put into place six degrees of separation, lead the way, confirm proof of action and proof of trust before agreeing to present witnesses, and even then, demand diplomatic immunity from all forms of prosecution, because no one, can be trusted, especially, the prosecutors. She said she wasn't trying to offend them by making that last statement, it was because of a bad experience and her need to survive so she could get the job done. A very thought provoking reply indeed.
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redmark
I think it is a mixture...some are students, some are here just as WL...not sure all are happy with it.
sunyun
Legend Member
Whilst working in Hong Kong, I saw a documentary made in HK about WL. HK has international WL, home grown and PRC (Peoples Republic of China) WLs.
The Doco team interviewed some WL from as many sections as they could get access to.
As you would expect, all the international girls were private ladies making big bucks and all three they interviewed said that they were leading the life they chose, and were having a ball (pun intended), and getting paid well for it. There were a few from the Phillipines, but even they were top end (although HK is full of Phillipino bar girls, but because PRC WLs are so cheap, everything else is nearer top end !).
The 'home grown' mostly worked for 'landlords', but these WL all said on camera (faces/ID disguised) that it was a better way of earning a living than sitting in an office all day, or sewing in a sweatshop. They 'rented a room' from the landlord and paid a cut of the take - and got protection from other 'landlords' and from drunk US sailors, etc. They could leave if they wished, but most had a target to achieve before they left the industry - afford their own mini business selling cameras, or .....
These ladies seemed happy, and all claimed that they could swap landlords if they didn't like the conditions, etc. They certainly didn't come across as forced or depressed, etc.
The PRC WLs they interviewed were mostly illegals in HK, and had been brought in by gangs (read Triads). Most knew what they were coming to and considered it better than working in China - as WLs or in factorys.
There were a few who the team had a hard time filming, who under extreme disguise, etc. claimed that they had been sold by their families (second daughter caused much trouble in One-Child China. The family lost all social priviliges, no free school, beatings by the Village Committee, etc.), and had no where else to go.
Some PRC WLs had been told they were coming to HK to work as 'dancers', or as barmaids, but once in HK, were told that the money spent getting them over the border illegally had to be repaid, and the only way they could repay it (and the interest at 25% per month) was to be a WL in a 'House' provided by the Landlord, who had enforcers to keep the WLs in line, and to beat up, or even kill nosey reporters. These girls worked strictly against their will, and could never repay what they 'owed'.
This is strictly the situation presented by the doco in HK, and may not be true of anywhere else (eg Phillipines).
Short version - like most industries, most participants are willing, and reckon they are on a good thing, work for a while, and plan to move on when they reach their targets. Some just enjoy the lifestyle, but a few are clearly exploited.
So when you punt, here or overseas, look at the conditions and general appearance of the premises and the ladies. if they look dodgy, and the ladies have a hunted look in their eyes, then go elsewhere, or else you are supporting a horrible practise.
If the ladies are enthuaistic, and look like they have purpose, then you are probably supporting a whole family somewhere, or helping a lady enjoy her chosen trade.
I consider it to be a responsibility of the punter to always avoid putting money into the hands of 'snakeheads' who bring girls from overseas against their will.
I also consider it a responsibility of the punter to have a great time in reputable establishments like Maryanne's Langtrees.
Cheers.
The Doco team interviewed some WL from as many sections as they could get access to.
As you would expect, all the international girls were private ladies making big bucks and all three they interviewed said that they were leading the life they chose, and were having a ball (pun intended), and getting paid well for it. There were a few from the Phillipines, but even they were top end (although HK is full of Phillipino bar girls, but because PRC WLs are so cheap, everything else is nearer top end !).
The 'home grown' mostly worked for 'landlords', but these WL all said on camera (faces/ID disguised) that it was a better way of earning a living than sitting in an office all day, or sewing in a sweatshop. They 'rented a room' from the landlord and paid a cut of the take - and got protection from other 'landlords' and from drunk US sailors, etc. They could leave if they wished, but most had a target to achieve before they left the industry - afford their own mini business selling cameras, or .....
These ladies seemed happy, and all claimed that they could swap landlords if they didn't like the conditions, etc. They certainly didn't come across as forced or depressed, etc.
The PRC WLs they interviewed were mostly illegals in HK, and had been brought in by gangs (read Triads). Most knew what they were coming to and considered it better than working in China - as WLs or in factorys.
There were a few who the team had a hard time filming, who under extreme disguise, etc. claimed that they had been sold by their families (second daughter caused much trouble in One-Child China. The family lost all social priviliges, no free school, beatings by the Village Committee, etc.), and had no where else to go.
Some PRC WLs had been told they were coming to HK to work as 'dancers', or as barmaids, but once in HK, were told that the money spent getting them over the border illegally had to be repaid, and the only way they could repay it (and the interest at 25% per month) was to be a WL in a 'House' provided by the Landlord, who had enforcers to keep the WLs in line, and to beat up, or even kill nosey reporters. These girls worked strictly against their will, and could never repay what they 'owed'.
This is strictly the situation presented by the doco in HK, and may not be true of anywhere else (eg Phillipines).
Short version - like most industries, most participants are willing, and reckon they are on a good thing, work for a while, and plan to move on when they reach their targets. Some just enjoy the lifestyle, but a few are clearly exploited.
So when you punt, here or overseas, look at the conditions and general appearance of the premises and the ladies. if they look dodgy, and the ladies have a hunted look in their eyes, then go elsewhere, or else you are supporting a horrible practise.
If the ladies are enthuaistic, and look like they have purpose, then you are probably supporting a whole family somewhere, or helping a lady enjoy her chosen trade.
I consider it to be a responsibility of the punter to always avoid putting money into the hands of 'snakeheads' who bring girls from overseas against their will.
I also consider it a responsibility of the punter to have a great time in reputable establishments like Maryanne's Langtrees.
Cheers.
sunyun
Legend Member
Whilst working in Hong Kong, I saw a documentary made in HK about WL. HK has international WL, home grown and PRC (Peoples Republic of China) WLs.
The Doco team interviewed some WL from as many sections as they could get access to.
As you would expect, all the international girls were private ladies making big bucks and all three they interviewed said that they were leading the life they chose, and were having a ball (pun intended), and getting paid well for it. There were a few from the Phillipines, but even they were top end (although HK is full of Phillipino bar girls, but because PRC WLs are so cheap, everything else is nearer top end !).
The 'home grown' mostly worked for 'landlords', but these WL all said on camera (faces/ID disguised) that it was a better way of earning a living than sitting in an office all day, or sewing in a sweatshop. They 'rented a room' from the landlord and paid a cut of the take - and got protection from other 'landlords' and from drunk US sailors, etc. They could leave if they wished, but most had a target to achieve before they left the industry - afford their own mini business selling cameras, or .....
These ladies seemed happy, and all claimed that they could swap landlords if they didn't like the conditions, etc. They certainly didn't come across as forced or depressed, etc.
The PRC WLs they interviewed were mostly illegals in HK, and had been brought in by gangs (read Triads). Most knew what they were coming to and considered it better than working in China - as WLs or in factorys.
There were a few who the team had a hard time filming, who under extreme disguise, etc. claimed that they had been sold by their families (second daughter caused much trouble in One-Child China. The family lost all social priviliges, no free school, beatings by the Village Committee, etc.), and had no where else to go.
Some PRC WLs had been told they were coming to HK to work as 'dancers', or as barmaids, but once in HK, were told that the money spent getting them over the border illegally had to be repaid, and the only way they could repay it (and the interest at 25% per month) was to be a WL in a 'House' provided by the Landlord, who had enforcers to keep the WLs in line, and to beat up, or even kill nosey reporters. These girls worked strictly against their will, and could never repay what they 'owed'.
This is strictly the situation presented by the doco in HK, and may not be true of anywhere else (eg Phillipines).
Short version - like most industries, most participants are willing, and reckon they are on a good thing, work for a while, and plan to move on when they reach their targets. Some just enjoy the lifestyle, but a few are clearly exploited.
So when you punt, here or overseas, look at the conditions and general appearance of the premises and the ladies. if they look dodgy, and the ladies have a hunted look in their eyes, then go elsewhere, or else you are supporting a horrible practise.
If the ladies are enthuaistic, and look like they have purpose, then you are probably supporting a whole family somewhere, or helping a lady enjoy her chosen trade.
I consider it to be a responsibility of the punter to always avoid putting money into the hands of 'snakeheads' who bring girls from overseas against their will.
I also consider it a responsibility of the punter to have a great time in reputable establishments like Maryanne's Langtrees.
Cheers.
The Doco team interviewed some WL from as many sections as they could get access to.
As you would expect, all the international girls were private ladies making big bucks and all three they interviewed said that they were leading the life they chose, and were having a ball (pun intended), and getting paid well for it. There were a few from the Phillipines, but even they were top end (although HK is full of Phillipino bar girls, but because PRC WLs are so cheap, everything else is nearer top end !).
The 'home grown' mostly worked for 'landlords', but these WL all said on camera (faces/ID disguised) that it was a better way of earning a living than sitting in an office all day, or sewing in a sweatshop. They 'rented a room' from the landlord and paid a cut of the take - and got protection from other 'landlords' and from drunk US sailors, etc. They could leave if they wished, but most had a target to achieve before they left the industry - afford their own mini business selling cameras, or .....
These ladies seemed happy, and all claimed that they could swap landlords if they didn't like the conditions, etc. They certainly didn't come across as forced or depressed, etc.
The PRC WLs they interviewed were mostly illegals in HK, and had been brought in by gangs (read Triads). Most knew what they were coming to and considered it better than working in China - as WLs or in factorys.
There were a few who the team had a hard time filming, who under extreme disguise, etc. claimed that they had been sold by their families (second daughter caused much trouble in One-Child China. The family lost all social priviliges, no free school, beatings by the Village Committee, etc.), and had no where else to go.
Some PRC WLs had been told they were coming to HK to work as 'dancers', or as barmaids, but once in HK, were told that the money spent getting them over the border illegally had to be repaid, and the only way they could repay it (and the interest at 25% per month) was to be a WL in a 'House' provided by the Landlord, who had enforcers to keep the WLs in line, and to beat up, or even kill nosey reporters. These girls worked strictly against their will, and could never repay what they 'owed'.
This is strictly the situation presented by the doco in HK, and may not be true of anywhere else (eg Phillipines).
Short version - like most industries, most participants are willing, and reckon they are on a good thing, work for a while, and plan to move on when they reach their targets. Some just enjoy the lifestyle, but a few are clearly exploited.
So when you punt, here or overseas, look at the conditions and general appearance of the premises and the ladies. if they look dodgy, and the ladies have a hunted look in their eyes, then go elsewhere, or else you are supporting a horrible practise.
If the ladies are enthuaistic, and look like they have purpose, then you are probably supporting a whole family somewhere, or helping a lady enjoy her chosen trade.
I consider it to be a responsibility of the punter to always avoid putting money into the hands of 'snakeheads' who bring girls from overseas against their will.
I also consider it a responsibility of the punter to have a great time in reputable establishments like Maryanne's Langtrees.
Cheers.
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Farm Boy
Asians really do send significant amounts of money home this article clams about 3.1 billion Aus$ was returned home by Filipino oversea workers in one month.
Actuality it could be much more Dollar ($) indicates American dollar at first I thought they were taking Pesos 43P to Aussie$ today
(Updated 9:19 p.m.) Money transfers by overseas Filipino workers (OFWs) to relatives in the Philippines increased 7.6 percent in January amid the outbreak of tensions in Middle East and North African (MENA) states, the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP) said Tuesday.
OFW remittances reached $1.476 billion in January, up $104 million from $1.372 billion in January 2010, BSP Gov. Amando Tetangco Jr. said in a statement.
Money transfers by sea-based OFWs rose 13.3 percent, those of land-based Filipino workers abroad went up 6.2 percent in the same comparable period, the central bank said.
"Remittance flows into the country remained resilient on the back of sustained demand for skilled overseas Filipino workers in different destinations worldwide," according to the central bank governor.
The bulk of remittances or about 80 percent came from the US, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Japan, United Kingdom, Singapore, United Arab Emirates, and Italy.
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