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Poor people have only themselves to blame.

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Hi there I love A rub.
Hello.

I thought my statement was a self-evident truth.
No, it is a societally-spread lie. Self evident is usually associated with no evidence and argument.

It is vital to separate the duties of Society from those of the individual.
OK. But who is to say which is which (dont answer society). It is like when I asked a psyche "How do you decide who are insane and who are sane"....and he answers "That easy, I write in thier file who is sane and insane".

A society exists so that its members can pool their talents and use their country's natural resources and their own skills and resources to build something far greater than they could achieve individually. This means Government and the rule of law are necessary so that everyone knows where they stand.
The existing societal structures are nothing more than an immoral and exploitive, malevolent systems of controlling the citizen-slaves for use by societal leaders.

Individually, we each have a responsibility to use our talents and skills to provide for ourselves and our families as best we can.
This is what you said before. There is no reasoning to arrive at this conclusion, nor is there any evidence presented of same.

"Society should and does provide opportunities for people to get ahead and improve their lot but it is up to the individual to grasp those opportunites."
Again, you make an un-founded and narrow assertion. There is also no legitimate reason for any individual to be responsible. Society is responsible, and poor people cannot possibly be blamed. Society delibertely designs the system in such a way that there are always a certain % range of poor people and unemployed people.

There is no shame in poverty, only in giving up and accepting it as one's lot and not trying to get ahead.
There is no legitimate obligation on the individual to attempt to make money. What shame someone feels is just thier delusion.

By the way, the full text of Kahlil Gibran's chapter on giving and charity is here SNIP!
The whole idea of altruistic or kindness-based giving, sharing etc is irrational.
 
Hi I Luv Rub.

I wish I came from the same planet you do, it must be a great place to live.

Let's see:

There is no obligation to look after yourself, the glorious all-wise state will provide?

There are no rules or constraints placed on anyone and no obligations because these are too restrictive?

A pity there is no charity there, though. It really does help both the giver and the receiver.

I know, as you obviously do that the society we live in here is far from perfect but, despite several experiments over the millenia, no-one has come up with a better model yet. We can only hang in there and make the best of our lives under the present system while we wait for Utopia.
 
This is a great thread, and a terrific battle of the minds going on, especially Swingingstories post, good stuff.
Brings to mind, from the deep dark recesses of my mind, a missive I read somewhere that goes along the lines of: "Hoe my own row, help my neighbours with theirs, and let the Good Lord look after the rest" Which is, sort of my personal view, be it right or wrong.
 
I believe fate has a big role on your life. Ones life can change if they for example, find a good paying job, a rich uncle dies, win the lottery, find a rich sexy lover or your shares crash.

That is why my life is not based around money. However if anyone wants to donate to,"the make me rich fund", i will accept your donations.

Just think how rich one would be if everyone here gave you $10.
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I am someone who is obsessed about striking it big, rich whatever. Funny how it seems when life is more simple, and when one asks for less, we have more.

That is what i had learnt in my quest for the big break $$$$$.
 
Not everyone wants to live in the city and chase money some people are just happy living a simple life and some are not. Also imagine if everyone went to live in the city
 
sexy_celeste said:
Im staying in a village right now, where to have electricity and running water is a luxury, and if you have a fridge or TV the neighbours will come to share.
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They dont consider themselves poor, by the way.
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Generally, people tend to live within their means. Ask someone who is on 40k per year and they will tell you that they are able to pay their mortgage, put food on the table, go out occasionally etc... but they cannot save. Ask someone who is on say 60k or even 100k per year and they will tell you exactly the same thing.

Like most, my real income has continued to increased over my working life, even when inflation is taken into account but my personal savings have not. It's because most people will put their extra income into larger homes, flashier resturants, more gadgets etc. As the saying goes, the more you earn the more you spend...

Cheers.
 
Having no money does not mean you are poor. Some have far too much money and live miserable lives. As long as there is enough to pay the bills one can live like a king. Free sunshine, raindrops, sunrise, birds singing. And watching all the beautiful ladies when Summer comes to town.
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Curious1 said:
I can assure you that in the lowest places of the middle east that i work in there is no sex industry....they are the areas where poverty is hit hardest mainly due to conflicts around them.

Maybe i am wrong about getting in to the sex industry. You raised some valid points that i did not know.....i did say i didn't know much about your industry so now, i accept that i was wrong about it.
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ya.. i think it's difficult some places to find sex industries... but i think there are various online sex shopping places where you can buy some best and :la:cheap sex toys like vibrators. i have got a private message from aaron... he's asking about that there were restriction :police:about those kinnna things in western Australia.

regards
cleon dann
 
Hi all,

Interesting subject and one that's brought about some great feedback.

Personally I've experienced life on both sides of the financial fence. Lost an IT business in 2003 through clients going a## up. Not pleasant experience I can tell you.

Having to dramatically change my lifestyle was the hardest. That and budgeting on food and bills was a nightmare.

Fortunately I'm back on my feet with a new IT business. Actually in a better position that I was.

Ok some people are just lazy and don't want to work or help themselves get ahead. But who bitch and moan about not having anything.

Then others like me who for whatever reason end up losing everything.

Of course there are those who may also get sick or injured and are unable to work. Which must be really hard. It's those people that I do feel sorry for.


hugs

x

LisaMarie

ps yes my avatar are my legs. the rest of is just as hot!
 
hugs...
gr8.. i think life has both good things and bad things to share... and bothr are compulsary.. if you think u have get all good things.. then its also not interesting... and ****

cleon dann
 
Good -day LisaMarie I am sure i would enjoy looking up to you.

Thank you for your post and the presence of your two most beautiful pair of shapely legs. I can only imagine how beautiful the rest of you is.
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cleondann said:
hugs...
gr8.. i think life has both good things and bad things to share... and bothr are compulsary.. if you think u have get all good things.. then its also not interesting... and ****

cleon dann
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not so much cheap as in my avatar... :laughing4

i love aislin from last 6 years and want to gift her a valentine unforgettable gift. Can anyone suggest me? what abt sex accesories. i saw Rabbit Sex Toy, Butterfly Vibrator, Mens Sex Toys
 
Bluegrass9 said:
Having no money does not mean you are poor. Some have far too much money and live miserable lives. As long as there is enough to pay the bills one can live like a king. Free sunshine, raindrops, sunrise, birds singing. And watching all the beautiful ladies when Summer comes to town.
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yes.. i also think like that bt not so poetric...
 
Hi alll gr8 thread and lots of intoresting points

I peronaly have been at (what I thaught fo at the time)on top finacialy and also close to the bottom did I choose to be at the bottom?... not really (but in some ppls thinking I chose to stay there) ...
I was a single parent for 4 years and I made the choice to put my son first b4 $$$ that did not meen I stopped earning but ment it restricted my opertunitys at the time ... Do I regret it?.. not at all I would not change a single day of it due to the extrodiary experiances it produced .. and I feel richer due to them.

that brings up another argument .. what is richness?.. is it finacial?... yes its nice to have money but that will not make you happy ... happyness is a choice! you can have $1,000,000 inth bank and be poor .. or $1 and be happy .. I know what I would choose ... some ppl do not have a lot of $$$ and chose to stay that way ..
this does not meen there are not ppl out there that can not change there circunstances but its there choise to .. and at the end of the day we DO live in a "free" country where we have the power to make those choices.. you dont have to like what other ppls choices are .. but it is best to accept them .... and respect that its there choice ...

my thaughts .. or some of them .. could probably keep typing for ever on the subject ...lol

Love to all Me....xox
 
life is what you make it people. if you want to sit at home feelin' sorry for yourself fine. while your doin' that i'll make my money and spend it as i choose.
 
exactly right some people follow the path, some people make their own
 
Ugh how gross, I hope this attitude is not typical of Australians. If it is I won't be bothering to visit, let alone move there!

Far too simplistic a statement for me to take seriously I'm afraid. What about the fact that our economic system is a hierachy which is triangular, the biggest part at the bottom, which of course is the poor. At the pinnacle (surprise, surprise) are the very few rich, who need to keep the majority on the bottom permanently to keep themselves at the top which they do using a variety of tactics, one of which is to blame the poor for their predicament. There are other political tactics which are used to this end, but I have a feeling I would be wasting my time and energy attepting to divulge them here. Anyone seriously interested can do their own research.

In short, no, the poor do not make themselves that way, and the system is structured to keep them that way.
 
Some people are happy how they are. Having money is not the be all and end all of everything.
 
BoredinBelmont said:
The ammount of money given out through centrelink is crazy.

Most "poor people" reciev over 35 grank a year and piss it awya gambling and drinking.

What would aid against poverty? Food stamps and regulation.

Sadly people aren't adult enough to manage their own money.

Btw, sorry bout spelling mistakes and poor grammar, I was slamming it out quick at work.
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I could be considered one of those 'poor people'. I recieve about 21K a year from various sources. So let's call it 1200 a fortnight. $480 on rent, 100 on childcare (2 day's for one child and 1 day for one child), $100 away for bills, so really i have enough to live on week to week but not much, if anything, to save. But we are happy, we don't need expensive things to be happy.
 
Good discussion all .

Having spent a lot of time in St East Asia , I have found my most joyous occassions in the poorest of places , I have also found the happiest people , if you handed them $10 ..they would just give it back , their lives did and do not revolve around money .

My life on the otherhand always has , I had been a tough " deal maker " an " up and up ..greedy business person " , what I considered ( at the time ) a gifted individual , my nett worth was around 3 mil ..but was I happy with that ..No way !! chickenfeed ..I would have said then .

Then three issues changed my life , first I had a business associate take his own life , this was just completely unexpected , right out of the blue , then the GFC hit , the third was as a result of the GFC , a company that I was involved with ..and in for 1 Mill ( contributed ) collapsed ..A third of my money " Phiff ..Gone " ..as the stock market cashed " wiff " another Mill gone ..Im not young . I thought WOW , is any of this going to stop ? then ABC learning went ..and I said thats it , I grabbed my passport , and brought a Ticket to Thailand , I went all Around Thai ( stayed with the people ..away from Farang ) Phillipines , Loas , Cambodia ..was away for 7 months , didnt send an e-mail , just put a message on my phone and grabbed a Thai number ..some of the messages were funny .." You have to come back ..NOW ..it urgent blah , blah , blah " ..I thought , I dont have to do anything !!! I learnt so very much ..and I lived on very little ..when I did return my mind was much clearer ,

I have followed though with this thinking , Im much calmer now , much more able to handle life ..No matter how much money you have here in Australia ..from Kerry Stokes ..to a battling pensioner , we leed very stressful lives , but if you remember one thing , we create our own stress . Now Im not poor , Im able to come out of this with my house ..I have a morgage , but I have the money to pay it out if I wished , I have the ability to make a good income , however I will never live back as I did ..with five houses and a stack of stress , there is so much more .

But , I will say with regard to beggars ..certainly never give to a beggar here , thats simply crazy . But also never give to a beggar in India , or anywhere else , all you would be doing is fostering what is a horrible industry , and creating more ..just like in " Slumdog millionaire " ..Far better , pick one Charity , that you have personaly checked out and commit to a yearly fee , make sure you pay them that money ..and even better volenteer yourself to help .

I have seen the damage Westerners have done to Thai and the phillipines , Vietnam , and the created industries ..plus the family dependence , and the different thought patterns ..Its a great shame .


Money will never make you happy , may make you extremely fearful however ..talk to the money people ..see what some write , it may scare you .

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