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No woman fights to become a prostitute

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" No woman fights to become a prostitute; she is in prostitution because her fights for any other life have been lost".

I have just finished reading a paper by Catharine MacKinnon, a well-known American feminist, scholar, lawyer, teacher and activist, specializing in sex equality issues under international and constitutional law.

The statement above in blue is one she puts forward.

She also claims that "It is well documented that most people who are prostituted worldwide want to leave it and cannot".

She concludes by saying "Prostitution is demand-driven. Pimps are in the business to make bank deposits, and the engine of that process is the buyer. Criminalizing the buyer is the best approach because it is the only approach that works."

Your thoughts?????
 
Im not a W/L so i cant really say,but im i have seen a few over the yrs and i would say it is a means to a ends and pays quite well,so if u could match the cash/lifestyle they would leave in a flash...It would be a VERY hard job all the same trying to make men happy or faking it.
 
In some countries I've traveled to, i absolutely believe this is the case but not so much in Australia.

I have a friend who works at a fairly well known establishment and her response has always been that she simply likes to make people feel happiy about themselves, that she enjoy's sex and that the money is too hard to pass up. She's not a drug addict, is relatively intelligent but she has hobbies that cost a lot of money so it's ideal for her. Of course there will always be negatives in every job but cant focus on them to much. She left for a while to work elsewhere but simply didn't enjoy the different job as much.

It's much like the mining game in WA. Its criminal what workers in 3rd world countries get paid and the fact they have very few choices in life while the Aussies have the choice to work 3 weeks out of 4 to earn 150K+ and live a good lifestyle.

Having choices is what makes Australia the country that it is.
 
I guess in some countries her statement is correct, but here most are in the business from their own choice.
 
I have always thought how lucky I was to be born a woman and to be able to go out any night of the week and satisfy myself and get paid on top What a LIFE !!!!
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I have several takes on this. I think the reasons why women become prostitutes vary according to whether it's a developed nation or an undeveloped one sometimes.

Sure, there are those women who look upon it as a service/means to an end.

My heart goes out to those many in e.g. the Philippines, Thailand, Africa where the choice is to work in sleazy bars desperately scraping money together to feed a family. It's especially bad in e.g. Thailand where some women are known to consent to sex without condoms and take the risk to make money. I can't even begin to express my distaste at places like Pattaya where caucasian tourists mainly are seen in the company of girls who've barely made it past puberty and are hardly adults yet.

And then when I drive along places like the Beaufort/Bulwer Street area I'm saddened again to see young girls or very diseased looking elderly women/junkies trying to stop motorists. Again, I suspect some of these ladies are underaged.

I remember some years ago reading an article in The Weekend Australian magazine about unusual jobs that people do e.g. chimney sweep etc. One of the interviewees was a student who was saving money to travel and worked as a receptionist in a brothel. She could only do it for a year because as she struck up friendships with the escorts she found out the tragic circumstances which drove them into doing this - deserted husbands, bankruptcy, wanting to make money in a short space of time, drug dependency, kids to feed etc. She said that by the time she left, the harsh reality of their circumstances were too much for her and she just didn't want to know anymore.

I remember speaking to a cafe owner who knew several prostitutes and said many of them took drugs to forget - after all, especially when you're new to the game, the thought of having to perform intimate acts, normally with someone who you cherish and vice versa with any tom, dick or mary who has the cash but not necessarily the attraction is very, very daunting. Especially when the profession isn't socially acceptable even to this day.

All that being said, and I'm not a big time punter, the few times when I've visited a prostitute, I've found many of them to be incredibly well-adusted human beings who are products/victims of circumstances. And for a lonely soul like me, it's just as painful because I know that if I was in a relationship with them, I'd protect them from all this. But that's another story altogether.

What have I said that comes to any conclusion of sorts? Well nothing really except that I think the issues why women get into prostitution need to be addressed. If a woman has to resort to prostitution to feed her kids because social welfare payments aren't enough - then we have to look at social welfare payments, counselling etc. Easily said, not so easily done.

My ultimate hope is that I hope all women (and men for that matter) who undertake prostitution to make ends meet are sober enough to invest their money well enough so they can leave it and make a return to normal albeit not as well-paying means to make a living.
 
i enjoy my job. sure sometimes i wish i didnt have to do it but id rather make the money i make now, than hate a job where i make peanuts and work hard all day. i have flexible hours, good 'collegues' and can switch off work mode as soon as i leave, its great.
 
every woman has her own reason why they become prostitute one of the common reason is money we are living in a world were luxury becomes more and more a necessity
 
every woman has her own reason why they become prostitute one of the common reason is money we are living in a world were luxury becomes more and more a necessity
 
Thank you Hardwood.

Gizelle, interesting comment about luxury and necessity. Not related to the post really but to me, a luxury is something where if I can't afford it then it's a luxury and an expensive one at that. I'm going to indulge and ramble a bit.

An example is if I've a Mercedes Benz and it malfunctions. I feel the pinch when it's repair time, time to pay the bills etc. Then it's obviously a luxury 'cos it's expensive. A car however is largely a necessity in Perth especially if you've kids and this is where a 3rd hand car will do the job of commuting and transport. When it comes to parking and it's expensive then the train will have to do.

Ramble ramble. A long time ago following a bad investment, I relied on public transport, there were some minor inconveniences but I could survive. Then again, I didn't have kids and was (still am) single. A gas stove then is a necessity and a microwave a luxury. A small colour tv is a necessity perhaps but not a plasma or x-box.

Ramble ramble. I'm hardly a religious person but am spiritual in a sense. I was quite impressed recently when I read about a church group which has some volunteers who are retired mechanics. These two old men get donations of old bombs - not writeoffs but certainly marginally roadworthy. They repair them to make them safe and roadworthy and then donate them or lend them on a very long term basis to people in the community - not even church members - who need a car but can't afford to buy one such as single mothers, people with disabilities but can drive etc. What a great act of kindness and initiative!

Admittedly Gizelle, we do live in a world though now where many things are becoming more expensive, rental, food etc and social security payments are barely enough.

Here's an interesting suggestion to everyone. The best gift at any time is love. (Yeah yeah soppy concept I know). Christmas just past I did something I've done for two years now after I sat down and had a think. I bought all my Christmas presents from opp shops.

This meant that all the gifts I gave, were really giving twice. The charities at opp shops could use their money to help the people who need their help. And my friends got gifts which they could or couldn't use. And they could donate their gifts to other oppshops to sell on or use their gifts which didn't cost a fortune to buy.

Who knows as Australia's population ages and society becomes more lonely, apart from drop in centres where old people can gather and chat, we may someday have a volunteer drop in centre to provide for sexual needs. Please don't make jokes about this dear readers and frankly I hope we don't have to reach that stage but that's the way the world is going.

Totally off topic but related.
 
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Few more ramblings.

Tattoo Mama, interesting take but how long have you been in the industry? I suspect you work in an establishment. I remember speaking to an escort once who worked from home in a suburb around the Cannington area. She said she found it incredibly mind-numbing sitting by a phone all day. She wasn't on drugs or anything but it was doing her head in.

Mind you, I suspect she'd been doing it for some years. And I wonder if escorts can burn out in their profession and sometimes get trapped because they've become too accustomed to the money they make but simply DREAD the aspects of the job that go with it. How much longer can one continue to do something they dread and the only thing that keeps them there is that the money is good?

If you make money your god, it'll become your master.
 
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No point particularly to anyone. However, I would say it'd be interesting to ask you for your views perhaps 10 years from now working in the industry.
 
We certainly have to look at the country when talking about prostitution. As pointed out several times most of the countries provide such miserable conditions for their citizens......women don't have a choice anymore and prostitution is the only way to provide for survival. Sad.......very sad indead.
I am lucky enough to work in a country where women do not need prostitution to be able to survive. Well, apparently Western Australia is THE place to be talking jobs and economical growth. So my decision to do what I am doing was never motivated by a pimp or financial stress (I am a woman of many talents and could easily find a job in the so called "acceptable" world).....lucky me.....I actually ended up in the industry thanks to curiosity and I think (lol) it was the last thing on the list of things "NOT to do" according to my parents.
However.....I have to admit that I enjoy my job. But I am VERY aware of the time limit (age!!!!!!!!!!!).
And to follow BigBlackCock.......and RAMBLE RAMBLE.......no luxury for me, just the same average lifestyle but suddenly $$$$ for further education or other longterm investments.......YEAH.
BlaBla.....back to Hardwoods original post........yes, I can see the truth in it but that doesn't mean that every prostitute is a lost or burned soul.
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A few have mentioned different country's and yes some places are very different to Aust. For those that know me you will know I spend a lot of time in Thailand in fact I have been 4 times this year. I have Thai friends and a few of them are prostitutes. I know most of them as friends and I have to say in most cases for these girls it start out for the money on to support the family. Now when I say family these girls will support the parents, sisters, brothers all on thire hard work as a WL. It's a way of life for them and
many of them the mother did the same job.
But I do no some of them that love the job. They get to meet great guys, get paid 10 times what they do in a 7 /11, get nice things brought for them. Get to go on holidays with clients, and get to party hard all night. A lot of the girls are very nice girls and most come from farming poor community's. Most of them love the job but not all. The lucky few meet a nice guy that sponsors them and they get out.
As far as sex tourists go we each to thire own but it keeps these family fed.
For the recold I don't go to Thailand as a sex tourist I have a Thai girlfriend.
 
If I said to you that you could earn in one night what may take you a month to earn normally what would your answer be?
Especially if if was something you enjoyed doing.
 
I'm assuming the feminist is American? very different situation over there. Due to unemployment, poverty and dreadful education system for some it really is their only choice. Here however, there's always night fill at coles which pays dam well.

All the W/ls I have encountered definitely do it by choice as they like the money and are dtf, so why not?
 
What's "dtf" thatguy? Sorry not into textspeak IMHO.

I beg to differ on another point thatguy. I have met women here who've turned to prostitution because their husbands have left them and the children high and dry. Others have left violent relationships and others who can't do nightfill jobs as they've kids to look after and can only work during school hours. Nightfill jobs at Coles only pay well if you can get them. I believe nowadays Coles tends to make nightfill people work while the store is open to save on penalty rates too - not 100% sure about that one though.
 
Didn't think of that actually yeah. Good point. DTF is down to fuck, rather crude, thus the abbreviation
 
There was a time though when women in Perth resorted to it very much along the same lines as we see in elsewhere today. This is from research I culled in another post.

Other factors independent of legislation have affected the demand for and supply of prostitutes. Social and economic crises such as wars and depressions have had particular importance in this respect. In both the 1890s and 1930s depressions more women were drawn into prostitution, as both single and married women sought other ways to make money when they or their husbands were unable to find enough work at their regular occupations. The population of Perth's Roe Street brothels rose from 50 to 70 during 1930, as both single and married women took desperate measures to survive the economic downturn (Davidson, 1980, p.110). The increased numbers of women selling sexual services and the reduced spending power of men in the community meant that earnings for individual prostitutes and madams suffered considerably during this period.
 
Not only do you fall into it, you can be pushed into it....

What HR department in any corporate setting would recommend the hiring of a transsexual in transition due to the "proneness" of workplace bullying, discrimination or workplace harrassment? Regardless of skills and credentials on paper you are an insurance risk...





" No woman fights to become a prostitute; she is in prostitution because her fights for any other life have been lost".

I have just finished reading a paper by Catharine MacKinnon, a well-known American feminist, scholar, lawyer, teacher and activist, specializing in sex equality issues under international and constitutional law.

The statement above in blue is one she puts forward.

She also claims that "It is well documented that most people who are prostituted worldwide want to leave it and cannot".

She concludes by saying "Prostitution is demand-driven. Pimps are in the business to make bank deposits, and the engine of that process is the buyer. Criminalizing the buyer is the best approach because it is the only approach that works."

Your thoughts?????
 
Well, all said and done, for whatever reason they do it for - even to feed a drug habit, I hope that the women eventually get on and move on to better lives i.e. I don't think there's anything wrong with being a prostitute but they achieve the goals they hoped to. And have healthier happier lives as a result.

If a person let's say in the Depression had to manually cart shit from dunnies 'cos it was all about survival but then was able to to feed and house children who turned out happy and healthy then in the face of everyday life, it's a good thing.
 
Well, all said and done, for whatever reason they do it for - even to feed a drug habit, I hope that the women eventually get on and move on to better lives i.e. I don't think there's anything wrong with being a prostitute but they achieve the goals they hoped to. And have healthier happier lives as a result.

If a person let's say in the Depression had to manually cart shit from dunnies 'cos it was all about survival but then was able to to feed and house children who turned out happy and healthy then in the face of everyday life, it's a good thing.


Not every sex worker is a drug addict and has you ever thought that some woman like lots of sex so what not get paid for having fun. Being a good sex worker is more than pleasing men. I personally don’t see why the need to degrade or downplay the importance of companionship and intimacy provided
 
Not every sex worker is a drug addict and has you ever thought that some woman like lots of sex so what not get paid for having fun. Being a good sex worker is more than pleasing men. I personally don’t see why the need to degrade or downplay the importance of companionship and intimacy provided
Besides I would pay extra to see two working gals fighting
 
Not every sex worker is a drug addict and has you ever thought that some woman like lots of sex so what not get paid for having fun. Being a good sex worker is more than pleasing men. I personally don’t see why the need to degrade or downplay the importance of companionship and intimacy provided

Sigh! When the only tool we use is a hammer, we only see all things as nails.
 
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